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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by pvaldes »

skrbjc wrote: post #339
pvaldes wrote: post #270

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> Are there many previously young and healthy people ending up in hospital with Covid? Yes, of course, more than a thousand of children and young adults in their prime died just in US. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrecked-lives-families-young-adult...

250 0-4 year olds died with Covid and 573 5-18 year olds died with Covid. Remember these are people that died in the hospital with a positive Covid test. One study out of UCSF found more than 40% of kids hospitalized with Covid were there for a reason other than Covid, like a broken arm, and then also tested positive with an asymptotic case. Likely the kids dying with Covid could be overcounted as well. https://data.…

The time to have this discussion was two years ago. We are talking about children and youngs that were killed by Covid, not with Covid and the number is 'too much' to keep ignoring the plain facts.

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Post by logifail »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #340
logifail wrote: post #338

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I was talking ( see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29904115 ) about the effect of vaccinating the young and healthy, I didn't mention mandates... You then said "there are few young and healthy in parts of country where vaccination rates are low". I'm still not understanding that statement. Across the globe - and across the USA - there are loads of unvaccinated young people, and (happily) most of them are health…

I was talking about mandates in the comment your comment replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29903853 Do you understand now? The entire point of this thread is that vaccine mandates will allow society to open up, which is not yet possible due to health system constraints, nor was it possible earlier. Your doctor quote is nonsensical in that it doesn't say anything about when society can open up. Today? W…

> The entire point of this thread is that vaccine mandates will allow society to open up [..]

I think that claim remains to be substantiated, to put it mildly.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by [deleted] »

ls15 wrote: post #330
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #287

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Doubt. You can't use a vaccination card or WHO vaccine passport? which country are you residing in?

Since I cannot reply on the comment were you accused me of lying on the internet. > You have three ways to enter German businesses either a digital certificate or a vaccination card from the pharmacy or your who vaccine passport The vaccination card from the pharmacy *IS* the print out of the digital EU certificate, including the QR code. That's all I got at the pharmacy. Businesses will not accept my foreign certifi…

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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by [deleted] »

ls15 wrote: post #333
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #329

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You have three ways to enter German businesses either a digital certificate or a vaccination card from the pharmacy or your who vaccine passport... I am in Germany as well STOP lying on the internet.

https://www.infektionsschutz.de/coronavirus/fragen-und-antwo... > Ja. Die momentan auf dem Markt erhältlichen Impfzertfikate in Scheckkartenformat werden im monochromen Thermotransfer-Druck erstellt und enthalten neben dem Namen der oder des Geimpften auch den QR-Code der zweiten oder dritten Impfung. Für den Kartendruck ist lediglich der QR-Code des Impfzertifikats der letzten COVID-19-Impfung erforderlich. Die Kost…

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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

ls15 wrote: post #333
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #329

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You have three ways to enter German businesses either a digital certificate or a vaccination card from the pharmacy or your who vaccine passport... I am in Germany as well STOP lying on the internet.

https://www.infektionsschutz.de/coronavirus/fragen-und-antwo... > Ja. Die momentan auf dem Markt erhältlichen Impfzertfikate in Scheckkartenformat werden im monochromen Thermotransfer-Druck erstellt und enthalten neben dem Namen der oder des Geimpften auch den QR-Code der zweiten oder dritten Impfung. Für den Kartendruck ist lediglich der QR-Code des Impfzertifikats der letzten COVID-19-Impfung erforderlich. Die Kost…

What is your problem with a digital anonymous certificate that it gets non anonymous as soon as you have to proof that it is indeed you that got the vaccination? You are talking in circles and there is still the WHO vaccination passport.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by aspenmayer »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #282
aspenmayer wrote: post #256

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Sucks to be the fourth messenger then. Blanket bans would also block post by amazing Twitter users like foone. It sounds like you just don’t like or use Twitter. Is that accurate?

No, I go on Twitter multiple times a week and generally like it. Any active Twitter user will tell you that it's common for false and misleading tweets to go viral. That doesn't mean the site is bad, but it does mean it's a bad idea to go around posting random tweets on news aggregators, since there'll always be someone tweeting any take you can think of.

> That doesn't mean the site is bad, but it does mean it's a bad idea to go around posting random tweets on news aggregators, since there'll always be someone tweeting any take you can think of.

We’re not talking about random tweets, we’re talking about on-topic tweets from posters like foone which consistently post relevant content. You’re throwing the good out with the bad and claiming that folks submitting off topic links are bad apples that ruin the whole barrel. I just don’t find your logical argument internally consistent or rational.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by shtopointo »

aix1 wrote: post #264
shtopointo wrote: post #230

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well if you go to the doctor and they mess up their timestamps or results, are you liable?

I am not sure how this applies in Djokovic's case? He isn't claiming that there are errors (made by others) in any of the papers he has provided, or is he? P.S. But either way, of course it's he who is ultimately responsible, in the same way I'm responsible for the contents of my tax return, regardless of who prepares or files it on my behalf.

Fair point.

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #345
ls15 wrote: post #333

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https://www.infektionsschutz.de/coronavirus/fragen-und-antwo... > Ja. Die momentan auf dem Markt erhältlichen Impfzertfikate in Scheckkartenformat werden im monochromen Thermotransfer-Druck erstellt und enthalten neben dem Namen der oder des Geimpften auch den QR-Code der zweiten oder dritten Impfung. Für den Kartendruck ist lediglich der QR-Code des Impfzertifikats der letzten COVID-19-Impfung erforderlich. Die Kost…

What is your problem with a digital anonymous certificate that it gets non anonymous as soon as you have to proof that it is indeed you that got the vaccination? You are talking in circles and there is still the WHO vaccination passport.

I was talking about the unprotected URL-type certificates (like Djokovic's certs and my original vax cert), before you moved the goalpost to international travel and called me a liar.

> there is still the WHO vaccination passport

The WHO passport is not useful either, if it does not contain any proof of vaccination, because it is on another continent during vaccination and you are in lockdown. Also, have you seen someone using them for entering businesses during the last couple of weeks? People are clearly pushed towards an app for displaying a QR code that could as well have been a simple image. Let's not normalize installing state-made apps. I am not consenting.

Actually there is a fourth undocumented option, the one that I am using right now: scan the code, create a new qr code with the data and store it on my phone or print it. It is just an image. Works better than the one from the pharmacy, because my QR code is sharper. The app is as useless as the vaccine mandates.

However, let's also not act like officials all around the world did not dismiss data privacy without hesitating during the pandemic. Just like before, only more. Did you read about the police in Mainz accessing LucaApp data for investigations?

Since it looks like the (always thin) scientific basis for vaccine mandates and G2 is crumbling by the day, I suspect that their proponents will soon look pretty foolish anyway and the rest of us can finally move on to dealing with the pandemic in a sensible way.

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

ls15 wrote: post #348
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #345

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What is your problem with a digital anonymous certificate that it gets non anonymous as soon as you have to proof that it is indeed you that got the vaccination? You are talking in circles and there is still the WHO vaccination passport.

I was talking about the unprotected URL-type certificates (like Djokovic's certs and my original vax cert), before you moved the goalpost to international travel and called me a liar. > there is still the WHO vaccination passport The WHO passport is not useful either, if it does not contain any proof of vaccination, because it is on another continent during vaccination and you are in lockdown. Also, have you seen som…

Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in. The same goes for you printing out your certificate if they reject it because it is not an official form of proof this has nothing NOTHING to do with laws. It may inconvenience you but it's your own failing not that of lawmakers or others. The same goes for the tennis players certificate, no one forced him to show it to the world. His lawyers also could have asked to not disclose it in the court documents because it is a health document. At least you came to your senses and admitted to lying about it.

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #349
ls15 wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking about the unprotected URL-type certificates (like Djokovic's certs and my original vax cert), before you moved the goalpost to international travel and called me a liar. > there is still the WHO vaccination passport The WHO passport is not useful either, if it does not contain any proof of vaccination, because it is on another continent during vaccination and you are in lockdown. Also, have you seen som…

Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in. The same goes for you printing out your certificate if they reject it because it is not an official form of proof this has nothing NOTHING to do with laws. It may inconvenience you but it's your own failing not that of lawmakers or others. The same goes for the tennis players certificate,…

> Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in.

Try to gaslight someone else. There was never an obligation to carry a vaccine passport before the pandemic.

> At least you came to your senses and admitted to lying about it.

I am sorry, but you seem unwilling to understand. I explained how I was not able to get my status certified without getting my privacy violated, while you seem determined to not believe.

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