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The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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> It's not just for spying on your cat. Can we stop downplaying privacy issues please?

Not trying to be provocative, but how is this any worse than existing cameras or motion sensors?

RF is far less hindered by stuff like walls.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

#132

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> It's not just for spying on your cat. Can we stop downplaying privacy issues please?

Not trying to be provocative, but how is this any worse than existing cameras or motion sensors?

With cameras and motion sensors you more or less know how they'll be used and as a user you can choose to disable them (or at the very least block them if you can't disable them).

With this technology, it will be integrated into your router (and clients?), so turning those off will mean to turn off WiFi altogether. Added to that, I'll bet that most people wouldn't even begin to imagine that WiFi could be used for sensing people, and they'll continue using WiFi without being aware for the grave privacy implications.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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post #27

I want my Wi-Fi to deliver me fast internet access, not track my position. Have a feeling this will be used for il-intent and monetized by future routers

In this case you may want to use a router based on free software: https://ryf.fsf.org/categories/routers.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

#134

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I don't need more than a few hundred megabits on the go, thank you very much. If I want to go faster, and Ethernet cable is always a faster solution with less moving parts.

When it comes to consumer gear, modern WiFi equipment is often faster than even Ethernet. I agree with your overall point, though.

i can tell when an ssh connection in my own apartment is going over wifi rather than the ethernet cable (if the session open before connecting the ethernet) - is it a weak signal? yes, but it's not a big apartment. With a modern router, sitting right next to it, i've never seen a connection that exceeds my gigabit ethernet.

Through all these years, ethernet always works, wifi is more often than not the culprit of connectivity issues. Moving my chromecast on to ethernet (which was one of the closest wifi devices to the router) has lead to higher quality, less stalling.

i've had my 5ghz wifi disappear because of weather radar, can't say the same for my cabled connections.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

#136
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The only real practical example is fall detection, what's the real purpose of this?

Saving lives isn't good enough for you?

This gave me 'think of the children' gaslighting vibes.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

#137
post #99

(2021) privacy comments on Wi-Fi 7 standards work for 802.11bf, https://arxiv.org/pdf/2103.14918.pdf > it has been shown that SENS-based classifiers can infer privacy-critical information such as keyboard typing, gesture recognition and activity tracking ... since Wi-Fi signals can penetrate hard objects and can be used without the presence of light, end-users may not even realize they are being tracked ... individua…

No, the future is decentralized. In the US, you will always be tracked because of regulatory capture of the FCC. In Europe, your phone will display a tracking consent pop-up everytime you go into a cafe. If you don't comply, you will have to get your coffee and free wifi elsewhere.

> If you don't comply, you will have to get your coffee and free wifi elsewhere.

You will be able to take legal action against the café, but it won't make a difference.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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post #78

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So there’s FUD about something we should already reasonably have FUD about?

When analysing FUD always use the ELMER acronym E - Expectations L - Lifetime M - Motivation E - Environment R - Reward :-)

Can you elaborate? What is this?
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