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The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Post by causi »

cassepipe wrote: post #92
causi wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's potential for visible-light networking but the Li-Fi people in particular are complete garbage. They claim visible light travels faster than radio waves and say Li-Fi is a hundred times faster than wi-fi but their thousand dollar router can only do 100Mb/s. They also rip off the Wi-Fi Alliance logo.

Oh, I have been dreaming about LiFi for some time, if what you're saying it's true, that's... disappointing. Do you have any sources about the current state of (real-world) LiFi ?

Literally their website.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Post by dafoex »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #103
qwertox wrote: post #82

This is not a future I'd like to see. What bothers me even more, is that if the neighbors above me decide to join an "Apple Security Sensing Program" by toggling it on, it may as well be sensing and logging my activity. Other than that, I do have a lot of ESP32s at my place sensing for activity via IR as well as by creating an FFT-"audio" log. No sound just FFT aggregated over one second, but all these devices store…

I remember when first contactless payment options appeared, many people started buying anti-RFID wallets and bags. I'm not sure if they're still a thing, but the people who need "radio-privacy" will definitely find a way.

I have a few wallets with alleged RFID blocking. For those its mainly to stop arse grabbing attacks where card info (or security badge info) could be cloned with a little badge reader held in someone's palm.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Post by skocznymroczny »

Ice_cream_suit wrote: post #39

Nice... SWAT teams, home burglars and the NSA will all be clients for the data. Once the granularity gets fine enough, movements involved in prayers, sex and elimination of waste can all be monitored remotely by state actors. Malware from around the world will now be able to transmit details of your body movements back to their controllers. Imagine being able to blackmail you because malware detected you having sex w…

Just put it under "contact tracing and covid prevention" and people will cheer you for it and ask for more.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Post by dafoex »

humaniania wrote: post #98
barbazoo wrote: post #5

The only real practical example is fall detection, what's the real purpose of this?

Saving lives isn't good enough for you?

Then make a dedicated fall detector and sell it to the elderly. They already make wrist bands with panic buttons that phone for help, put the sensor in the phone hub just in case they fall and lose consciousness.

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Post by mschuster91 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #46
Haemm0r wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 As many APs today are already cloud dependent I can totally see where all the sensed data will be stored and out of the owners control.

I’m skeptical there are customers really asking for this.

Customers also didn't ask for even more ads and tracking in their TV, but they did ask for cheaper devices - the result is that you'll have to shell out serious bucks for "digital signage"-style displays if you want to live in peace.

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Post by EMM_386 »

mulmen wrote: post #57
jagger27 wrote: post #40

I'm surprised that there's not a single comment here about 802.11ay which is also 60GHz. Each channel on that standard can do something like 40Gbps, which is nuts. From Wikipedia[0]: > The link-rate per stream is 44 Gbit/s, with four streams this goes up to 176 Gbit/s. Yes, it can't penetrate walls, but is huge for point to point communication. Think VR headset bandwidth, file transfers between devices, wireless back…

So if I don’t want anyone taking a WiFi “photo” of me on the throne I should put up aluminum foil curtains?

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxWiU_v9Qs

Re: The next big Wi-Fi standard is for sensing, not communication (2021)

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Post by ezconnect »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #46
Haemm0r wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 As many APs today are already cloud dependent I can totally see where all the sensed data will be stored and out of the owners control.

I’m skeptical there are customers really asking for this.

Warehouse and asset tracking and management is the number customer of this technology. On consumer router this will be just a marketing bullet points. Find your car key were you always put them but forgot.
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