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Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by AndyNemmity »

goodside wrote: post #25

Note: You cannnot use this library on your web site . The licensing agreement forbids you from redistributing the library, whether or not it's minified. It further states, "You are not allowed to integrate the Software into end products or use it for any commercial or productive purpose." So private deployment is out too. It's strictly for your own evaluation and amusement. http://www.kendoui.com/download/licenseagre…

Is there something like this that is usable? What would be a reasonable competitor to this?

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by sasha-dv »

zedshaw wrote: post #32

If you take away how this looks, and start digging into the project from a beginner's perspective, this project is awful. I find this with most of the supposed "UI frameworks" out there for HTML. With a few exceptions, they mostly lack: 1. Good documentation that doesn't just define the framework, but teaches you how to use it and get stuff done with it. Code already defines what it is, your docs should tell me why i…

I agree with your points. Tutorial-style documentation is a way to go.

The main problem this framework has isn't its reference-style documentation (if a framework looks good enough I'm willing to do some extra work figuring out how to use it). Kendo's real problem is its licence. Apart from seeing how "awesome" it is you can't do shit with it.

Here's the licence: http://gd.is/qDdw

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by goblin89 »

zedshaw wrote: post #32

If you take away how this looks, and start digging into the project from a beginner's perspective, this project is awful. I find this with most of the supposed "UI frameworks" out there for HTML. With a few exceptions, they mostly lack: 1. Good documentation that doesn't just define the framework, but teaches you how to use it and get stuff done with it. Code already defines what it is, your docs should tell me why i…

Good lineup. However, I think that #4 is only appropriate in beginner's guides—docs always should have some boring reference section with quick navigation. HTML5 boilerplate lacks that. Jokes get old fast.

Perhaps some good examples should be mentioned… I think, SproutCore handles points 1-3 very well (http://guides.sproutcore.com/), but lacks #5 a bit. Django's documentation seems to have most of these, too. (These aren't HTML UI frameworks, however.)

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by statictype »

justinhj wrote: post #67
zedshaw wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked at the --> documentation http://www.kendoui.com/documentation/javascript-dependencies... And other pages that are just enumerations of things that are in the code, then you've just defined it, you haven't told me how to use it or why it works the way it does. Instead, they'd need docs that lead the user through step-by-step breakdowns of where things are, why they are there, how to exactly build an app from…

you want free software with great documentation, and you want it to amuse you too. anyone can ask for that stuff, far fewer are prepared to help out

I don't think he 'wants' anything from the project. He's just offering the developer some advice on how to gain traction.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by statictype »

WayneDB wrote: post #14

I apologize in advance if this opinion offends anyone, but every HTML UI kit that I've seen simply can't hold a candle to native kits such as WinForms, WPF or even Cocoa. I would really love a write-once browser based solution, but I just can't see that type of solution ever catching up to native tech. How long do we have to wait before the browser can catch up? Do you think it will ever happen? The closest thing tha…

Maybe stop trying to make browser-based apps look native?

Web apps have their own distinct style of UI that works cross-platform and has its own strengths (and weaknesses).

Trying to build web apps with UIs that try to match that of native apps is a losing proposition.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by stiller »

goblin89 wrote: post #73
zedshaw wrote: post #32

If you take away how this looks, and start digging into the project from a beginner's perspective, this project is awful. I find this with most of the supposed "UI frameworks" out there for HTML. With a few exceptions, they mostly lack: 1. Good documentation that doesn't just define the framework, but teaches you how to use it and get stuff done with it. Code already defines what it is, your docs should tell me why i…

Good lineup. However, I think that #4 is only appropriate in beginner's guides—docs always should have some boring reference section with quick navigation. HTML5 boilerplate lacks that. Jokes get old fast. Perhaps some good examples should be mentioned… I think, SproutCore handles points 1-3 very well ( http://guides.sproutcore.com/ ), but lacks #5 a bit. Django's documentation seems to have most of these, too. (Thes…

The theme of Sproutcore is Bindings.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by wladimir »

jakejake wrote: post #27
WayneDB wrote: post #14

I apologize in advance if this opinion offends anyone, but every HTML UI kit that I've seen simply can't hold a candle to native kits such as WinForms, WPF or even Cocoa. I would really love a write-once browser based solution, but I just can't see that type of solution ever catching up to native tech. How long do we have to wait before the browser can catch up? Do you think it will ever happen? The closest thing tha…

I think Sencha is possibly the closest to that for the web right now. I find it fairly similar to writing form-based desktop applications.

Yes, it is very convenient to work with if you're used to programming desktop UIs. I found that ExtJS is great for (admin) backends especially now that it integrates charting.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by fbnt »

kls wrote: post #49

The question I am asking myself right now is how did this project make it to the top slot of HN. It seems to be a re-hash of some standard frameworks, some bad documentation, some buggy widgets and be backed by a largish vendor. I hate to say it, but it reeks of a voting ring.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger! I am no related whatsoever with Kendo UI, I read about it on twitter and thought to submit it here to see what you guys think of it. I'm pretty sure there's no voting rings involved.

-the OP.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by roel_v »

nadam wrote: post #45
WayneDB wrote: post #14

I apologize in advance if this opinion offends anyone, but every HTML UI kit that I've seen simply can't hold a candle to native kits such as WinForms, WPF or even Cocoa. I would really love a write-once browser based solution, but I just can't see that type of solution ever catching up to native tech. How long do we have to wait before the browser can catch up? Do you think it will ever happen? The closest thing tha…

I am working on a UI lib which is written in Javascript and completely painted on HTML5 canvas. I know, crazy idea... I got rid of the incompatibilities of the browsers, I got rid of DOM: I defined my own event system, component graph, etc... This will be someting like a traditional desktop component based UI, just in javascript, in the browser. Styling will be far more advanced than CSS: you can even inject a custom…

Why don't you just write a Canvas backend for an existing toolkit like gtk or qt? You'll never be able to implement all the details of a sufficiently wide range of controls on a one-man (or even 10) part time basis.
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