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Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

AgendaDigitale, DDAY, Valigia Blu, The Submarine, Il Post, Il Sole 24 Ore

I just read (following this recommendation) an article from valigiablu.it : it's excellent! - what is going on here? My constant massive feeling of doom vanished in front of a properly done intellectual practice, "Come Cristo Comanda".

It has RSS at https://www.valigiablu.it/feed/

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem. I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group! Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

This meme needs to stop. It is pure legitimacy-washing and I can’t believe the HN crowd falls for it.

It’s like Exxon donating a pittance to an environmental protection fund and calling it even.

I wish we would stop giving them credit for “helping” when they’re the ones causing and profiting from the damage in the first place.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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This makes complete sense. Corporate journalists have many incentives to not publish the truth or to be stenographers for the establishment. That is why corporate media and journalists hate truth tellers and fearless journalists like Julian Assange and demand censorship on Internet platforms like YouTube, Twitter and Facebok with their corporate "factcheckers" in tow as muzzlers. Access journalism wants to censor all…

> Corporate journalists have many incentives to not publish the truth or to be stenographers for the establishment Agreed, if the establishment locks you out it’s impossible to do your job, so it’s difficult to bite the hand that feeds you > journalists hate truth tellers and fearless journalists like Julian Assange Huh? Assange and Snowden published with the help of several major newspapers > demand censorship on In…

>Journalists asking for censoring other journalists from YouTube? Where!?

There is a constant drumbeat from the NYT, WASPO, corporate media crowd for platforms to "do more to combat misinformation".

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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This makes complete sense. Corporate journalists have many incentives to not publish the truth or to be stenographers for the establishment. That is why corporate media and journalists hate truth tellers and fearless journalists like Julian Assange and demand censorship on Internet platforms like YouTube, Twitter and Facebok with their corporate "factcheckers" in tow as muzzlers. Access journalism wants to censor all…

I don't know where you are from, but in Europe fact checker are actually only face up (and not too much) blogs, Facebook groups, and other similar media that makes hoaxes. Their news are like "that politician said that and this is false due to this, this, and this", "microwaving your phone won't charge it", or "vaccines won't give you 5G". Heck, I read in some of them about how some important people done really bad t…

In the USA fact-checkers are usually funded by dark money super PACs looking to influence politics.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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I used to read la Repubblica but the quality of the online content has gone down significantly (the physical newspaper is still good). I think ilpost.it is well curated non-partisan journalism - I’m a happy subscriber - and for more in depth articles I like internazionale.it, which instead is left wing but not to irritating levels. Hope it helps :)

Just checked ilpost.it (which seems well done), it has RSS at https://www.ilpost.it/feed/ Internazionale.it writes that it "publishes weekly the best of newspapers around the world" - nonetheless, it seems to also be a positive intellectual source: it seems to contain original articles, selected translations (good for the selection effort: I just read a superb pick from Al Jazeera), but also compilative articles that…

Internazionale is actually the best newspaper in italy. The opinionists are very smart too.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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> Corporate journalists have many incentives to not publish the truth or to be stenographers for the establishment Agreed, if the establishment locks you out it’s impossible to do your job, so it’s difficult to bite the hand that feeds you > journalists hate truth tellers and fearless journalists like Julian Assange Huh? Assange and Snowden published with the help of several major newspapers > demand censorship on In…

>Journalists asking for censoring other journalists from YouTube? Where!? There is a constant drumbeat from the NYT, WASPO, corporate media crowd for platforms to "do more to combat misinformation".

Yes, such as fact checking from real journalists. They’re not asking for less journalism, they’re asking for more

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group! Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

This meme needs to stop. It is pure legitimacy-washing and I can’t believe the HN crowd falls for it. It’s like Exxon donating a pittance to an environmental protection fund and calling it even. I wish we would stop giving them credit for “helping” when they’re the ones causing and profiting from the damage in the first place.

They won a Pulitzer last year and were finalists 3 other times. I don’t think this is quite the stretch you’re making it out to be.

BuzzFeed News is indeed a very different beast to BuzzFeed proper.

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