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Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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> members of an elite Italian police squad raided the Naples office of small news website. The previous day it had revealed links between elected politicians and organised groups in an illegal waste dumping racket.

This is so Italy it hurts. A group of journalists investigates a possible collusion between the mafia and politicians, and the police raids the journalists' office instead.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem. I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group!

Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem. I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group! Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

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Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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> members of an elite Italian police squad raided the Naples office of small news website. The previous day it had revealed links between elected politicians and organised groups in an illegal waste dumping racket. This is so Italy it hurts. A group of journalists investigates a possible collusion between the mafia and politicians, and the police raids the journalists' office instead.

>This is so Italy it hurts

That's not really Italy. Peak Italy would be police raiding journalists with actually good reasons because published evidence was obtained illegally. Indeed, wiretapped evidence routinely get published in breach of the law.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there.

I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form reporting as well as Instagram/Twitter users to follow to force Italian into my daily life and hopefully begin picking up technical jargon and colloquialisms. Anything you could point to would be greatly appreciated -- especially if there is an Italian equivalent of HN.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

I used to read la Repubblica but the quality of the online content has gone down significantly (the physical newspaper is still good). I think ilpost.it is well curated non-partisan journalism - I’m a happy subscriber - and for more in depth articles I like internazionale.it, which instead is left wing but not to irritating levels. Hope it helps :)

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem. I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

Fanpage publishes lots of crap, but it is also one of the few newspapers/websites still doing investigative journalism in Italy.

For instance: https://www.fanpage.it/attualita/an-undercover-investigation...

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post #14

Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

AgendaDigitale, DDAY, Valigia Blu, The Submarine, Il Post, Il Sole 24 Ore

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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post #14

Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

Most of the major Italian newspapers' websites have paywalls but most libraries provide free online access to thousands and thousands of magazines and newspapers.

E.g. my local library system (here in US) uses PressReader and it has the Corriere (one of the major Italian newspapers) as well as 'Gazzetta dello Sport', 'Libero', 'Il Foglio', 'Il Tempo', '24 Ore' (economy news, similar to FT, down to the page color), etc.

Most daily newspapers would typically have weekly sections on specific topics, e.g. Corriere has 'Scienza e ambiente' etc. As for technical jargon, on the magazine front and on the same site, you can find the Italian edition of Wired as well as several other magazines on Windows, Mac, Linux, etc.

Specifically relevant for your use-case, one of the monthly magazines is 'Hacker Journal'.

Having said that, the UX of the PressReader site is workable but not great (you can get the 'full fidelity' view but it requires a lot of scrolling around to read, or you can use a 'text' view that is more accessible).

Several issues seem to be on archive.org so you don't even need a library account for that: https://archive.org/details/hackerjournal_italian.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group! Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

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Exposing Uyghur detention camps and the FinCEN files are. Which is why the won the Pulitzer for that and not the best ways to hit your prostate.
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