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Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by cwkoss »

oneoff786 wrote: post #287
colordrops wrote: post #67

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It was like two movies. The first act was amazing, and the second was just a marvel clone. They should have just stuck with the meta self-referential in-matrix story for the whole movie. Furthermore, they could have taken it even further and epxlored the idea of onion layers of reality, with magical realms, multiple dimensions a la spiderverse, etc

I don’t understand how they made the marketing scene with so much self awareness and then failed to capitalize on it. It’s a really great start. They pretty successfully deconstructed it. They could have played that note all the way to the end. They could also have triple down on matrix cliches awesomely to reconstruct it. But they fell is some shitty middle ground. Man, they could have called it matrix: reconstructi…

Yeah, rather than the happy ending, kind of wish that Neo lost, was recaptured, and went right back into game designer life, leaving the audience feeling ambiguous about the whole film.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by Apocryphon »

nominated1 wrote: post #300
native_samples wrote: post #277

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Something trans related maybe? Dunno. Woke movie making is super annoying but I didn't get any of that from the new Matrix. Maybe because all the characters were chosen in 1999 before CRT took off, maybe because it just wasn't necessary. As a kid Morpheus/Fishburne was perhaps the coolest black man I'd ever seen, the casting was perfect. The man managed to somehow carry off both radiating gravitas and also this almos…

> Woke movie making is super annoying but I didn't get any of that from the new Matrix. New Neo is blue haired girl. New Trinity is tattooed girl. New Neo and New Trinity are not yet lovers (which appeases the CCP) but the final scene shows them embracing behind Old Neo/Trinity. I don’t think I read that wrong and thought it was pretty obvious?

I didn't even notice a tattooed girl

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by Apocryphon »

oneoff786 wrote: post #287
colordrops wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was like two movies. The first act was amazing, and the second was just a marvel clone. They should have just stuck with the meta self-referential in-matrix story for the whole movie. Furthermore, they could have taken it even further and epxlored the idea of onion layers of reality, with magical realms, multiple dimensions a la spiderverse, etc

I don’t understand how they made the marketing scene with so much self awareness and then failed to capitalize on it. It’s a really great start. They pretty successfully deconstructed it. They could have played that note all the way to the end. They could also have triple down on matrix cliches awesomely to reconstruct it. But they fell is some shitty middle ground. Man, they could have called it matrix: reconstructi…

It really was a middle ground. The first third promises deconstruction and meta-stuff, but then the rest of the movie is redoing Matrix cliches, right down to the utterly confusing final rescue sequence in the real world coupled with the awfully shot final chase sequence in the Matrix.

This movie doesn't know what to be.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by Apocryphon »

sam0x17 wrote: post #297
XorNot wrote: post #159

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Since the 90s the concept of the corporate drone has only increased. Swap out Neo in a cubicle for Amazon warehouse worker, and you've got "the Matrix is keeping you on a tighter leash now". I find it very odd that people swear the themes wouldn't work today.

I'm not saying things aren't worse, I'm saying they are worse in a different way. The suit wearing corporate drone software developer in a cubicle isn't a thing anymore. Now it's a t-shirt wearing bearded fair-trade coffee lover attending daily standups, writing articles on medium, and inventing yet another frontend javascript framework in their free time. The corporate drone thing was specifically a reference to wha…

The problem with this new film is that it teases at this sort of social commentary at the beginning and fails to follow up on it in the rest of the film. Besides "swarm mode" (just awful unsubtle naming convention) and "new bullet time that's so uber that Neo can't defeat it!" there's not a ton different about this new version of the Matrix from the other.

We're not seeing the Analyst create a Brave New World type subtle insidious dystopia that's a better reflection of our modern world. We're either told point-blank ("We realized the more angry you get, the more energy you create" is good commentary on social media, but it's told and not shown), and the only hint of digital soma is the shot of Keanu in the elevator surrounded by today's mixed-up teens on their electronic gizmos.

There's no interesting subversion like say the idea that Bugs' new resistance might be misguided in its activities, that the concept of the red pill might be archaic. That it's wrong to be worshipful towards Neo. There's no presentation of the captive humans as craving this new Matrix, of wanting to stay blue-pilled; instead they're zombies who are mind-controlled. There's no challenge to the old message. It's just the same Matrix with a shabby Corporate Memphis reskin.

This movie literally uses the word "sheeple". It's all so hamfisted and half-baked. It is not clever social commentary.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by oneoff786 »

cwkoss wrote: post #301
oneoff786 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how they made the marketing scene with so much self awareness and then failed to capitalize on it. It’s a really great start. They pretty successfully deconstructed it. They could have played that note all the way to the end. They could also have triple down on matrix cliches awesomely to reconstruct it. But they fell is some shitty middle ground. Man, they could have called it matrix: reconstructi…

Yeah, rather than the happy ending, kind of wish that Neo lost, was recaptured, and went right back into game designer life, leaving the audience feeling ambiguous about the whole film.

Haha

I think showing a blue pill Neo that’s happy would be the knife twist in the audience reaction.

Consciously finding peace in a world of lies is philosophically dope.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by nominated1 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #302
nominated1 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Woke movie making is super annoying but I didn't get any of that from the new Matrix. New Neo is blue haired girl. New Trinity is tattooed girl. New Neo and New Trinity are not yet lovers (which appeases the CCP) but the final scene shows them embracing behind Old Neo/Trinity. I don’t think I read that wrong and thought it was pretty obvious?

I didn't even notice a tattooed girl

They looked like black dashes or symbols that went from at least her shoulders to across her neckline/upper chest. I thought it looked cool myself.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by 908B64B197 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #227
908B64B197 wrote: post #143

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> Dune for example should have been a weekly series The movie is a trailer for the books. It's as good as it could ever be, considering it was in the making for 40 years [0]. [0] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/dune...

Honestly, even as long as the movie was, I felt like they could've added another thirty minutes worth of material to make it an even three hours to flesh out the characters and add more clarity to some points made in the movie. The theatrical cut for The Fellowship of the Ring ran 178 minutes while ran a relatively paltry 156 - just twenty minutes could have pushed the movie lightyears ahead.

Rumor is there's a lot that was left on the cutting board. Hours even.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by PowerBar »

zizee wrote: post #269
goto11 wrote: post #261

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Quality CGI is certainly not free. Pixar movies are all CGI but are still quite expensive productions because it require a lot of work by many highly skilled professional. Just take a look at the credits at the end of a blockbuster movie to see how many specialized skills are required.

Sure thing, I get that. There are around 1500 people listed as being involved in the making of the matrix resurrections. That is a lot of people. But I'd bet that the vast majority of them did not work on it full time, for over 6 months each: From Wikipedia: > Filming started in February 2020 but was halted the next month by the COVID-19 pandemic. Wachowski toyed with the possibility of shelving the project and leavi…

Keep in mind that credits usually only list people that worked directly on the noticeable parts of a movie (actors, producers, graphics, audio, editing, cameras, marketing, hair/makeup, etc) but not those who work in the background to allow those people to do their work (IT, food services, electricians, janitors, truck drivers, crane operators, finance, hr, lawyers, etc).

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by oneoff786 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #303
oneoff786 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand how they made the marketing scene with so much self awareness and then failed to capitalize on it. It’s a really great start. They pretty successfully deconstructed it. They could have played that note all the way to the end. They could also have triple down on matrix cliches awesomely to reconstruct it. But they fell is some shitty middle ground. Man, they could have called it matrix: reconstructi…

It really was a middle ground. The first third promises deconstruction and meta-stuff, but then the rest of the movie is redoing Matrix cliches, right down to the utterly confusing final rescue sequence in the real world coupled with the awfully shot final chase sequence in the Matrix. This movie doesn't know what to be.

The real world rescue sequence really was confusing, and on top of that was comprised of a bunch of really uninteresting characters. They kept saying it was extremely difficult but it didn’t really come off that way in the film.

Re: The Matrix Resurrections estimated to lose Warner Bros $100M

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Post by Apocryphon »

oneoff786 wrote: post #309
Apocryphon wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really was a middle ground. The first third promises deconstruction and meta-stuff, but then the rest of the movie is redoing Matrix cliches, right down to the utterly confusing final rescue sequence in the real world coupled with the awfully shot final chase sequence in the Matrix. This movie doesn't know what to be.

The real world rescue sequence really was confusing, and on top of that was comprised of a bunch of really uninteresting characters. They kept saying it was extremely difficult but it didn’t really come off that way in the film.

It reminded me of the final sequence of Reloaded, it did the "character describes plan as plan happens on-screen", but at least the mission in that movie had some tension after things went awry when the Sentinels attacked the third ship that wasn't captained by Morpheus or Niobe.
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