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Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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>Naples office >”Readers began to deliver pizzas to our office as a gesture of gratitude for what we had done.” I bet those were good pizzas!

I would not be brave enough to eat a random pizza showing up at the office after running a scoop on the mafia.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

> could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow

Treccani, at treccani.it

Not perfect content wise, nor technically - missing RSS. Nonetheless, in general involving vetted, non "random" (lacking quality, as seems to be typical) writers.

> Right now I just follow Repbl

I had the misfortune to stumble into that disgrace on or around 3 Mar 2020, where during a search engine generic search a title from that undead was returned, and it read: "Coronavirus: seven regions hit, 27 million italians". Read the title, re-read the date. See what you get from that. Careful with your sources, because in some countries journalism is well below ground level, and digging.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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> members of an elite Italian police squad raided the Naples office of small news website. The previous day it had revealed links between elected politicians and organised groups in an illegal waste dumping racket. This is so Italy it hurts. A group of journalists investigates a possible collusion between the mafia and politicians, and the police raids the journalists' office instead.

> This is so Italy it hurts

You clearly have no idea on what you are talking about.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem. I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

Buzzfeed makes money from the quizes and other crap so they can make serious journalism - which nobody is prepared to pay for.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group! Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

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> "21 things I know fit in my ass" is great investigative journalism.

That's like accusing the New York Times of not doing great investigative journalism just because it publishes crossword puzzles.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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> members of an elite Italian police squad raided the Naples office of small news website. The previous day it had revealed links between elected politicians and organised groups in an illegal waste dumping racket. This is so Italy it hurts. A group of journalists investigates a possible collusion between the mafia and politicians, and the police raids the journalists' office instead.

>This is so Italy it hurts That's not really Italy. Peak Italy would be police raiding journalists with actually good reasons because published evidence was obtained illegally. Indeed, wiretapped evidence routinely get published in breach of the law.

As long as journalists don’t incite or induce others to break the law or do so themselves, why does it matter how they gather the relevant information to support reporting on factual events? I’m not sure I follow your reasoning.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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So interesting that we're comparing to buzzfeed, who also has a fairly good investigative journalism group! Here's a rather interesting one: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/collection/wwfsecretwar

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That was likely on the main BuzzFeed domain, as the BuzzFeed News domain doesn’t post that kind of clickbait content headline. Can you find this headline or one like it on buzzfeednews.com? Otherwise you’re conflating the two separate sites.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

ilpost.it

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Random question: could you suggest some good Italian journalism to follow? Right now I just follow Repubblica and a handful of technology journalists I've found through reading articles there. I'm a security researcher and am learning Italian with the goal of being able to speak at a conference there in the next year or two. As my language skills improve I've been trying to find some good cybersecurity and long form…

I used to read la Repubblica but the quality of the online content has gone down significantly (the physical newspaper is still good). I think ilpost.it is well curated non-partisan journalism - I’m a happy subscriber - and for more in depth articles I like internazionale.it, which instead is left wing but not to irritating levels. Hope it helps :)

Just checked ilpost.it (which seems well done), it has RSS at https://www.ilpost.it/feed/

Internazionale.it writes that it "publishes weekly the best of newspapers around the world" - nonetheless, it seems to also be a positive intellectual source: it seems to contain original articles, selected translations (good for the selection effort: I just read a superb pick from Al Jazeera), but also compilative articles that discuss and integrate international journalistic interventions about specific topics - so, there are authors that present a topic through abridging the best articles about it (see https://www.internazionale.it/notizie/alessandro-lubello/202... ).

It has RSS at http://www.internazionale.it/sitemaps/rss.xml

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Marginal note: in January 2020, the printed version of Internazionale reported, I believe in the coverpage, that a concerned government of Italy formally complained against China about obscurity in the virus spread that hit the Middle Kingdom, which reportedly replied "do not make a fuss about this petty thing".

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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>Naples office >”Readers began to deliver pizzas to our office as a gesture of gratitude for what we had done.” I bet those were good pizzas!

I would not be brave enough to eat a random pizza showing up at the office after running a scoop on the mafia.

My thoughts exactly!
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