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Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

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Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#41

Post by leppr »

> ideas on how to improve it

- E2EE

Anecdotal personal data point: I already pay $10/mo for an E2EE note app with a passable/mediocre UX. I would easily pay up to $15/mo for a polished experience like your app seems to have, and more if it becomes part of my professional workflow.

- Android and Linux support

For personal use, you may have no issue ignoring these market segments, but it might be a hard sell for teams. One of the great thing about an app like Notion.so is that it works everywhere and you don't need to buy your team members specialized devices just to interact with the project stack.

Otherwise I'm really curious to see how you handle the transition of an infinite 2D space created on large screens to smaller devices, whether it's collapsing the space in some way, or using bespoke navigation controls.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#42

Post by leppr »

awb wrote: post #8

Clover is a pretty well-used name. When searching for “Clover” on Google: https://www.clover.com/ https://www.cloverfoodlab.com/ https://www.clover.co/ https://www.cloverhealth.com/ When I hear “Clover”, I think payment processing and health care. Apparently it’s also a dating app and a food service. In a crowded namespace you might want to consider using a descriptive term like “Clover Notes” in your branding so peo…

https://clover.finance/ launched in 2021

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#43

Post by spoonjim »

awb wrote: post #8

Clover is a pretty well-used name. When searching for “Clover” on Google: https://www.clover.com/ https://www.cloverfoodlab.com/ https://www.clover.co/ https://www.cloverhealth.com/ When I hear “Clover”, I think payment processing and health care. Apparently it’s also a dating app and a food service. In a crowded namespace you might want to consider using a descriptive term like “Clover Notes” in your branding so peo…

You can’t really trademark Surface since it’s a generic word that describes the thing that it is, but Microsoft lawyers could probably make you regret testing that.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#44

Post by attasi »

leppr wrote: post #41

> ideas on how to improve it - E2EE Anecdotal personal data point: I already pay $10/mo for an E2EE note app with a passable/mediocre UX. I would easily pay up to $15/mo for a polished experience like your app seems to have, and more if it becomes part of my professional workflow. - Android and Linux support For personal use, you may have no issue ignoring these market segments, but it might be a hard sell for teams.…

Thanks for sharing. We do feel a need to provide Android support even for personal use cases, so we're working on that. Completely agree that it's critical for teams, too.

Transitioning infinite space on mobile works to varying degrees depending on the content. Treating the documents like editable maps works relatively well especially for the consumption experience. We're iterating on some ideas on how to improve editing there as well. We've seen some tools completely ignore coordinates and place everything in one scrolling section, but we feel that is very detrimental to the mental model you construct of your documents and aspire to maintain space while still providing a smooth UX.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#45

Post by boxmonster »

gesusc wrote: post #34
boxmonster wrote: post #25

My experience in case it helps: Open it up, looks like mobile only. I do my planning an organizing on my big desktop monitor with good keyboard so this is a no go Wants my email a lot. Maybe this guy is harvesting Hacker News emails Subscription model. I hate those because I always forget to cancel. Besides I have free and open source note takers that are pretty good. Not everything I want but good. Someone asked abo…

Hey thanks for checking us out. We do have a web app available that can be accessed here https://app.cloverapp.com/login . We are cloud based which is why we require you to create an account to use the app. With that being said we offer a free plan (that has some limitations) and a free Pro plan trial (with no credit card required) so you can try out all the Pro features beforehand. Hope that helps!

I definitely will. The sketch feature could be really useful.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#46

Post by gesusc »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #24

Very, very interesting... a few quick things: Events should be more group than single item, aka able to contain multiple note types, not just be assigned a surface or a note. Someone already mentioned the pen -- but that is table stakes for a hand written note app. Lastly, the canvas preview should be smooth, not 'gridded' as designed. I know that becomes a huge pain in the rear since everything has to be redrawn on…

Thanks for the feedback and the kind words. We're always working to improve our hand writing features so stay tuned for that. I added all the other items to our list as well. Let us know if you think of anything else!

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#47

Post by attasi »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #24

Very, very interesting... a few quick things: Events should be more group than single item, aka able to contain multiple note types, not just be assigned a surface or a note. Someone already mentioned the pen -- but that is table stakes for a hand written note app. Lastly, the canvas preview should be smooth, not 'gridded' as designed. I know that becomes a huge pain in the rear since everything has to be redrawn on…

Thanks for the suggestions! Always pushing to move from "good to great." Love the idea of multiple notes per event.

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#48

Post by threwawasy1228 »

I've said this many times but I dislike that I have to make an account before I even know what the product is or if I will like it enough to justify an account. I hunted around for a sec and I could not find anything that would let me see a real demo or example of the product that didn't require making an account.

Doing something like Airtable[0] is much more effective (not affiliated just a product I use), where I can go from the landing page to embedded product demos that require no login in seconds. It would be great to have something embedded like this or more detailed screencaps at least which showcase the product prior to me having to sign in.

[0] https://www.airtable.com/templates

Re: Launch HN: Clover (YC S20) – Notes, whiteboarding, and daily planner in one tool

#50

Post by tchock23 »

ciarlill wrote: post #14

Some initial feedback after noodling around for 20 mins: Initially this looked like the perfect replacement for my notion + good notes setup. Inking is really important to my workflow so most of my feedback is around that. I also love having the calendar integrated into my daily notes. - Daily notes don't appear to be a surface so cannot be inked on? This is pretty vital for me. In GoodNotes I basically have a new no…

I had a somewhat similar setup to you with Notion and Notability. I tried Clover and at first it didn’t stick but I gave it another shot and eventually transitioned over entirely.

The only thing I miss from my previous setup is the syncing of audio to notes from Notability, but it’s a worthy sacrifice to have a simpler all-in-one workflow.

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