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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by dathinab »

iechoz6H wrote: post #39
shmatt wrote: post #17

Good for Serbia for implementing some centralized system. A PCR test result in the U.S has absolutely no way of being verified, either negative or positive In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing

Doesn't the thread suggest someone has fiddled the system on Djokovic's behalf? If that's the case then the centralized PCR verification system is nothing but a house of cards.

The timestamp is likely when the entry was opened in the system.

Not when the test was made.

Normally that's the same.

But it's not enforced, as for example a test center which lost it's internet connection temporary is still allowed to add tests once the connection is back up.

So we don't know for sure that the test is manipulated.

We only know for sure that it was placed later in the system, not that it was made later.

Which is still very suspicious.

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Post by bnt »

disabled wrote: post #111
kleton wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'Цовид-19' has to be one of the laziest transliterations I've ever seen. Coronavirus is spelled with an initial К in every Cyrillic-using language I'm aware of, not a Ц (ts) sound in English. It's basically a keyboard IME transliteration, since in Serbian, "c" would be the Roman equivalent of "ц".

Yep, Serbo-Croatian (technically Bosnian-Montenegrian-Croatian-Serbian) "K" for "koronavirus". The only difference between languages is Latin versus Cyrillic. Croatia, for example has its official coronavirus webpage as https://koronavirus.hr

Well, we read C as K, and most people spell English as they pronounce it, hence koronavirus :-)

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by hugh-avherald »

alkonaut wrote: post #68
hugh-avherald wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not testing positive per se that is the exemption, it's if you have a medical contraindication to the vaccine. The argument is that recent infection is a medical contraindication, which the tournament organizer accepted but the feds have not.

I mean the sensible position would be that a contraindication (allergy against vaccine) and recent infection should be the alternative to vaccination. And obviously an athlete would need to fulfill the requirement of both entry to to country and to the tournament.

That doesn't make much sense to me: it seems to require a person who has an allergy to the vaccine to also get infected. At any rate, the sensible course of action would have been to allow only permanent, approved medical contraindications to be grounds for exemption. Temporary contraindications (like recent vaccination/infection) would simply invoke an apology and a wish they get better soon.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by TylerLives »

hanoz wrote: post #114
panarky wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the Serbian registry doesn't provide a timestamp for when each test was taken. But our intrepid OSINT researcher discovered that the data in the QR code begins with a UNIX timestamp, such as cqcode=1640187792... and cqcode=1640524880... From that one might infer that the positive test actually happened 4 days after the negative test. The documents Djokovic provided to the court claim the positive test h…

Is there any reason to assume this timestamp represents the time the test was taken, rather than, say, the time the certificate was generated?

We need someone from Serbia who has done this test to verify.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by grujicd »

TomAnthony wrote: post #35

The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...

This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts.

I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database:

https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A...

Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7. January 2022. 21:32:30. That seems to be right, it was taken earlier on the 7th and probably entered later to the central database.

Also, ID of my test is: 7601263. Djokovic IDs are 7371999 (16/12 test) and 7320919 (22/12 test).

It really looks like IDs are incremental, and that his test that was supposedly taken on the 16th was taken on the later date.

One consolation fact is that he wasn't positive when he took photos with kids on 17th.

EDIT: I messed up and copied Novak's QR url! fixed now!

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by bellyfullofbac »

renaudg wrote: post #101
shmatt wrote: post #17

Good for Serbia for implementing some centralized system. A PCR test result in the U.S has absolutely no way of being verified, either negative or positive In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing

Not just Serbia : EU countries have implemented an interoperable vaccination/testing certificate system that relies on digital signatures. https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...

But Serbia's system seems flawed, the EU system has all the data encoded in the QR-code, including name, the date the test was performed, the sort of test (PCR or antigen), and the result, plus a digital signature to prevent changing of those fields. And the QR code is given to the person and is static. The app that checks it checks that the document hasn't been modified by verifying the digital signature. What Serbia seems to have done is to have a PDF with the timestamp, and QR code which goes to a website showing a database entry with no timestamp (except for the URL which apparently does contain a Unix timestamp, but that's not authoritive nor easily parsable by huamns).

So if I got a negative test in July and a positive one yesterday, and I want to fly somewhere, it seems I can just copy the QR code from the test in July and paste it into a Word document that says "The test was performed on January 10, 2022, and the result is available through this link: [QR code with the link to the results from July 2021]". And it seems this document doctoring (with a document with a result that allows unvaxed entry) is what Team Djokovic has done.

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Post by ls15 »

zo1 wrote: post #109
ls15 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> URL That leads to a page that anyone can see

That's a feature if you ask me.

Maybe, but it also is an unprecedented privacy invasion at mass scale. Medical data used to be protected private information. At least in my country. Now everyone and their grandmother is entitled to be informed about personal medical details. It leaves a bitter taste.

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Post by alkonaut »

zo1 wrote: post #112
alkonaut wrote: post #43

Why does Australia even have a loophole that allows PCR tests instead of vaccination, without also requiring that the person can't be vaccinated? You'd wish the tournament could have been clearer here and just said that all athletes should be fully vaccinated, regardless of what any authorities say. It's PR after all, and the PR of an antivaxer playing is much much worse than the PR of Novak missing the tournament.

I honestly don't want to live in such a world. And I seriously don't understand how these types of rules aren't chilling everyone to their core.

I’m no proponent of vaccine mandates or even overly broad vaccine “passports”. Not because it isn’t effective but because it’s eroding trust in authorities.

That said, international travel is one of the places that should be strict, and high profile international competition could and should make an example. Taking part isn’t a right. Organizers have an opportunity to set an example here.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by mfer »

joshenberg wrote: post #30
boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

Especially in tennis where tournaments are designed to be 'open', that is semi-professional and allowing for amateur entrants. If he were professionally affiliated with a particular country, that might be an extenuating circumstance. But as he is a private citizen seeking glory in AU, it's inappropriate to make an exception in this case.

The exception was a process provided by the Australian Open tournament. More than 20 people applied for it and a handful of people were approved.

Should all of the people who got exceptions be turned away now?

Was the Australian Open tournament wrong for providing this process? Was Novak wrong for taking advantage of a process provided by the tournament?

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by samarama »

artursapek wrote: post #99
boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

If the vaccines don't prevent spread or contraction of the virus, why are people upset with him standing up against these pointless vaccine mandates?

Because boostered individuals have a drastically reduced infection risk by 80%.

On top of they are 66% less infectious when being infected since they clear the virus twice as fast and 40% of their virus particles are dead.

This gives them an overall reduced risk of infecting someone else by 93%.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.24.21266831v...

https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid-19-vaccine-reduces-seve...

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