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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by renaudg »

shmatt wrote: post #17

Good for Serbia for implementing some centralized system. A PCR test result in the U.S has absolutely no way of being verified, either negative or positive In Israel, which swabs every person who lands at the airport. There is a suspiciously steady stream of people flying in from the U.S who were negative before take off and positive 10 minutes after landing

Not just Serbia : EU countries have implemented an interoperable vaccination/testing certificate system that relies on digital signatures.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by neither_color »

boringg wrote: post #19

More fuel to the fire - no reason he should get a pass when other people can't. Sorry - it's only tennis and he's trying to cheat to get in. This isn't to political leaders talking about the fate of their people.

I agree he shouldn't get a pass but for different reasons. If the wealthy can get exempted from onerous burdens like quarantining or waiting 3 weeks + 14 days to become vaccinated then they will never remove that burden for the rest of us.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by Scoundreller »

roywiggins wrote: post #20
ed_balls wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is because Mucosal immunity.

PCR tests can come back positive for several months post-infection, so there may be no point in testing people in that post-infection period, because it will come back with too many false positives to be useful. 180 days sounds long for that, but people do test positive for months sometimes. The reason you can test positive for so long is that it takes time for remnant RNA from the virus to totally leave your system,…

… which is a good argument for antigen testing (as your entire pre-entry testing regime, or in conjunction with a positive PCR history).

The other difficulty (impossibility?) is in segmenting the chronically infected vs those that are just working out the remnant junk of their recovered infection.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

alexk307 wrote: post #23

I honestly don't even care if he's vaccinated or not. He's one of the best Tennis players of all time, and if he wants to be unvaccinated, he should have the right. However, he doesn't have the right to provide a fraudulent test result in order to enter into a country with its own rules, and a Tennis tournament with its own rules. Covid or not, vaccine or not, this is a scummy move by one of the world's most influent…

Martin Luther King, Jr.'s comment in his famous letter from Birmingham Jail: "One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."

It's up to ever single individual to interpret what is just and what is unjust, with all its consequences.

I, personally, find that the restriction is stupid, doesn't bring any benefit, and would have no problem to completely disregard it on a moral basis, if I had no fear of consequences.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by bjtitus »

elzbardico wrote: post #83
jablan wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering his god-like status in Serbia, this wouldn't be hard to pull off at all.

Yeah, because every poor country must be like Elbonia with completely ignorant and corrupt public servants. /s

In 2016 "22% of Serbian citizens who had contact with public institutions included in research (traffic police, public health, educational system, courts - civil litigation, public services that issue official documents, departments responsible for social welfare), had paid bribe at least once in the previous year."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Serbia

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by Scoundreller »

conistonwater wrote: post #73
roywiggins wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PCR tests can come back positive for several months post-infection, so there may be no point in testing people in that post-infection period, because it will come back with too many false positives to be useful. 180 days sounds long for that, but people do test positive for months sometimes. The reason you can test positive for so long is that it takes time for remnant RNA from the virus to totally leave your system,…

Pointless pedantry, just because I've been watching TWiV: the PCR test is detecting virus RNA because coronaviruses have RNA, and there's no DNA there. The rest I absolutely agree with.

More pointless pedantry: PCR only works on DNA, so if you want to test an RNA sample, you’ll need to translate it into DNA first before amplifying it.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by michaelmrose »

elzbardico wrote: post #83
jablan wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering his god-like status in Serbia, this wouldn't be hard to pull off at all.

Yeah, because every poor country must be like Elbonia with completely ignorant and corrupt public servants. /s

It's not just the Elbonians who are corrupt its all of us.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by DominikPeters »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #85
est31 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't that gathering on the Dec 17th date, one day after the claimed (but apparently predated) positive test on Dec 16th?

It's not unusual to have to wait for one or two days for the PCR test results. Same day tests are more of an exception in most of the Europe. If he didn't have any symptoms, and was doing PCR test regularly just to be sure, he had to reason not to go to the gathering.

The positive test certificate says that the sample was taken on 16 Dec at 13:05, and the result was returned on 16 Dec at 20:19.
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