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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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kleton wrote: post #90
TomAnthony wrote: post #35

The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...

'Цовид-19' has to be one of the laziest transliterations I've ever seen. Coronavirus is spelled with an initial К in every Cyrillic-using language I'm aware of, not a Ц (ts) sound in English. It's basically a keyboard IME transliteration, since in Serbian, "c" would be the Roman equivalent of "ц".

Yep, Serbo-Croatian (technically Bosnian-Montenegrian-Croatian-Serbian) "K" for "koronavirus". The only difference between languages is Latin versus Cyrillic.

Croatia, for example has its official coronavirus webpage as https://koronavirus.hr

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by zo1 »

alkonaut wrote: post #43

Why does Australia even have a loophole that allows PCR tests instead of vaccination, without also requiring that the person can't be vaccinated? You'd wish the tournament could have been clearer here and just said that all athletes should be fully vaccinated, regardless of what any authorities say. It's PR after all, and the PR of an antivaxer playing is much much worse than the PR of Novak missing the tournament.

I honestly don't want to live in such a world. And I seriously don't understand how these types of rules aren't chilling everyone to their core.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by neither_color »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #24
Scoundreller wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA only requires that for air passengers. Requiring overseas checkin agents to be disease doctors was okay, but asking CBP to verify paperwork and stop threats at the border was too much to ask.

Funny story I heard recently: Someone tested positive in Mexico but "had to" get home. Flew to Tijuana, walked across the border (no COVID test needed for land crossing), and caught a flight home out of San Diego. It still makes sense to protect the airline employees, but I no longer view a pre-flight test as a reliable measure to stop COVID from arriving in the US.

The Tijuana-San Diego no test trick was possible up until November. Land borders didnt have any testing or inoculation requirements before then.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/10/29/fact-sheet-guidance-trav...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by hanoz »

panarky wrote: post #54
TomAnthony wrote: post #35

The negative test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640187792DOH... The positive test result: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1640524880jk8...

Unfortunately the Serbian registry doesn't provide a timestamp for when each test was taken. But our intrepid OSINT researcher discovered that the data in the QR code begins with a UNIX timestamp, such as cqcode=1640187792... and cqcode=1640524880... From that one might infer that the positive test actually happened 4 days after the negative test. The documents Djokovic provided to the court claim the positive test h…

Is there any reason to assume this timestamp represents the time the test was taken, rather than, say, the time the certificate was generated?

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by kklisura »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #85
est31 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't that gathering on the Dec 17th date, one day after the claimed (but apparently predated) positive test on Dec 16th?

It's not unusual to have to wait for one or two days for the PCR test results. Same day tests are more of an exception in most of the Europe. If he didn't have any symptoms, and was doing PCR test regularly just to be sure, he had to reason not to go to the gathering.

He received the PCR test results within 7 hours on the 16th. https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1480448426332413953

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by CallMeJim »

shtopointo wrote: post #59
alexk307 wrote: post #23

I honestly don't even care if he's vaccinated or not. He's one of the best Tennis players of all time, and if he wants to be unvaccinated, he should have the right. However, he doesn't have the right to provide a fraudulent test result in order to enter into a country with its own rules, and a Tennis tournament with its own rules. Covid or not, vaccine or not, this is a scummy move by one of the world's most influent…

Feel the same – even if this test investigation is true (looks true) he can plead ignorance of course by saying he doesn't know how that system works. In effect, if his team + Serbian gov't manipulated the tests, I'm not sure what the recourse is, except for the Australian gov't to sue the Serbian gov't?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse (in most/all jurisdictions).

Australia's recourse would be to deny him entry.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by Invictus0 »

maverwa wrote: post #98
woodruffw wrote: post #21

Could someone double-check my understanding of this? Is the conclusion that Djokovic lied about the order (and specific dates) of his PCR tests, with the goal of entering Australia while still testing positive?

Well there is also two other options I can see, although I cannot say how realistic/likely these are: either the researchers „guessed“ wrong and the number in the url is no unix timestamp but just some random digits. Very unlikely imho, given how close the timestamp values are, but not impossible. The other option would be that the pcr test was indeed taken on the 16. but only entered into the system 10 days later on…

Seems simple enough to crowdsource some additional known tests from other Serbs to confirm their assumptions. I'm sure someone will do it.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by User23 »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #89

He's turning to the Donald Trump of the tennis world. No matter how cunty his behavior is, he'll have his supporters (god bless nationalism, one of the more obnoxious forms of tribalism). And now with the whole shitstorm he'll even gain the support of the anti-science antivax crowd. Like Trump and to some extent Obama, he's become the subject of a cult of personality. He can never do wrong in their eyes. Just to prot…

I downvoted you for vile language and violating the guidelines. I imagine so did the others.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by mfer »

jmcs wrote: post #56
azangru wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and he's trying to cheat to get in Sorry, I don't really follow those sports news, so maybe I missed something; but how did he try to cheat? He applied to Australian Open for an exemption, and was granted an exemption [0]. How is this cheating? [0] - https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1478329044156309505

He got an exemption the Victoria state rules, this is the same as you getting a paper from Florida saying you can travel freely there and trying to enter the US based on that paper.

His exemption was a process provided by the Australian Open tournament. More than twenty people applied for it and only a handful got the exemption. The process they outlined was a blind process (those evaluating the applications did not know who the players were) and two stage.

It's not like he tried to cheat the tournament or Australia with this. He was following a provided process.

Note, this is separate from any notion of him cheating or not with the process. Just saying it doesn't appear he tried to sneak in by bypassing the processes.

The reason he's being looked at instead of the others who went through this process is likely that he posted about it on social media.

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