Interesting. China seems to tick all the boxes from human rights to climate change. How comes it's not cancelled by the Twitter mob yet?
They don’t have Twitter there, the GFW blocks it.
They have Twitter here though.
Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#202What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…
i am not an american or chinese so a third party. here is my question.
does "America has lost the narrative and the Chinese have gained it without question" this mean till now it was america who was defining what the rest of the world saw and remembered, making history for "everyone" not just for themselves. remember rambo and the mujahideen? america has for long used its power to influence narrative across the world. asl a random person on the street anywhere in the world about iran and "anti-israel muslims, evil" would be the answer 7/10. why was that? because american hollywood has made boogeyman out of american military enemies.
now china is doing the same so why is this a big deal? why can't americans live with this?
uh, "destroying our freedom of expression " more like free market with power and tested capability to use as a propaganda tool because "hey. we support freedom of expression so anything we say is correct".
i am not criticizing you personally. just saying americans should come down a step from their self proclaimed high horse of world saviors and be like the rest of the folk.
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another example amongst many: Musk is really 'edgy' on Twitter. He won't say shit about china though. He has a car plant there.
That's fine but China's ultimately shooting themselves in the foot. "If they're not talking about you to your face, they're talking twice as much behind your back". No one is vacationing to China, no one is immigrating to China, no one willingly invests in China when alternatives are present. They're only going to prosper until they can no longer bully the world around economically and then they'll be post-Soviet Rus…
No one is vacationing to China? Some Americans who might have picked China in the past are no longer vacationing to China. Massive amounts of people of Chinese descent still vacation to China.
The difference between them and Soviet Russia is people. There are a billion and a half Chinese people. There was less than 300 million people in Soviet Russia. You don't need tourism or immigration when you have a billion+ people with now a healthy middle class.
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. When they exist. We know they exist in the US (private prisons), but there are no reliable sources that confirm they still exist in China.
Private prisons are well on their way to extinction in America [0]. They're hardly the same issue they were in the 90s. [0] https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/brea...
The "look at your own backyard first" is a common technique used by Wumao [0].
It is used to reduce the force of any criticism of CCP. Human rights are universal and know no national borders [1].
That being said, thanks for qualifying the often repeated statement in this thread about US prisons. Surely, more needs to be done. That does not mean we need to be silent about Xinjiang slave concentration camps.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29893724 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29893855
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. When they exist. We know they exist in the US (private prisons), but there are no reliable sources that confirm they still exist in China.
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> silent if it happens in China.
Seems like some people insist on being loud even when it doesn't happen in China.
The entire mass internment propaganda drive was concocted on less media access to XJ than the what APNEWs article reporting of it's dismantling. China like most countries, are not US, they don't need to maintain forever prison industrial complexes. BTW the same western analysts that alleged mass internment in XJ also concluded that mass internment phase is over, with ~50k transferred to long term internment and masses back out with gen pop in an elevated security environment, but no longer interned. The persistent allegations now is that labour rural transfer programs that's been ongoing for 20+ years throughout the country is somehow coerced labour when there's no to weak evidence.
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring. Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0] The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists…
>Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. When they exist. We know they exist in the US (private prisons), but there are no reliable sources that confirm they still exist in China.
We have satellite photos, eye witness testimony and even the Chinese government admits the facilities are there but has some nonsense about the people there choosing to be in a barbed wire facility with armed guards.
Are you really suggesting keeping criminals who have had a trial and been found guilty by a jury of their peers is at all the same as a genocidal racial based campaign to remove an ethnic minority?
[1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps
[2] - https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-china-...
[3] - https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappe...
[4] - https://2017-2021.state.gov/ccpabuses
[5] - https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-x...
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
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> From looking at the downvotes on this post, I believe they are on this thread downvoting posts that no moral people should have business downvoting. Just be aware. voicing an opinion that doesn’t get upvotes doesn’t mean it isn’t agreed with.
If someone looks at this OP, you see most of the flagged and dead posts are from the few people who question the continual US anti-China (anti-Iran, anti-Cuba, anti-Venezuela, anti-Palestinian...) rhetoric. So it is pretty much all posts raging about China, with the few posts questioning this killed off, but the paranoia is about "infiltration" against the US China bashing, when anyone can just look at this whole post and see the opposite is true.
The US military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about sucks away my taxes to do evil on other lands, its propaganda organs saying US workers and taxpayers like me questioning its parasitism and belligerence is alien.
It's amusing how the US's coup de grace in Afghanistan was a massacre of innocent Afghans, and the corporate press and pundits tear their shirts we're still not there killing Afghans, yet their heart bleeds for China dealing with a terrorism problem within China. The US can go around the world and bomb whoever it wants, but China is not allowed to deal with a terrorism problem within its own borders.
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#208its commitment to avoid supply chains from Xinjiang was an expression of compliance with U.S. law, rather than a statement of its position on the issue
So, if it wasn't for federal government regulation, Intel would be OK with slave labor.
What kind of sick people are running things at Intel?
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don’t have Twitter there, the GFW blocks it.
They have Twitter here though.
How are you going to cancel someone if they already aren't listening to you? Gunna place thousands of calls to their employer? Mail them awful things in the mail? Un follow them? I know you were joking but come on. There's no way to cancel something external. In order to cancel them, they need to buy into your system and have shame, something the CCP does not have.
Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter
#210What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…
This is indeed a hard problem, when you have a country like China, with a long term strategic plan and control over its companies and a country like US in which companies are more focused on keep Wall Street and media happy.