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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by jimbob45 »

trasz wrote: post #171
network2592 wrote: post #162

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Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring. Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0] The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists…

>Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. When they exist. We know they exist in the US (private prisons), but there are no reliable sources that confirm they still exist in China.

Private prisons are well on their way to extinction in America [0]. They're hardly the same issue they were in the 90s.

[0]https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/brea...

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by network2592 »

trasz wrote: post #177
network2592 wrote: post #118

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Engaging in epistemic and semantic hair splitting does not alter the reality of slave concentration camps or make it any less worse. Here is a recent article [0] on rape and forced sterilization of Uyghur women. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/12/18/uyghur-women-recall-horrors-of...

Here's an article on the same thing happening in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_Stat... .

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Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by vanusa »

dirtyid wrote: post #154
network2592 wrote: post #32

> It apologised last month for the "trouble" it had caused, saying that its commitment to avoid supply chains from Xinjiang was an expression of compliance with U.S. law, rather than a statement of its position on the issue. So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? To what extent are Intel chips designed and manufactured in China? Presumably, they are…

Intel and most multinationals' sanitized position is going to be "slave/coerced labour" doesn't exist in their supply chain according to their (lax) audits and oversights. But they're forced to comply with US blanket sanction on the region. Because at the end of the day, a US company operates no differently than a PRC company that is completely beholden to the state security apparatus. Sorry to PRC market for being U…

Just because they take no outward "position" ... doesn't mean that internally they are not perfectly aware of what is happening in Xinjiang - and of the moral dimensions of their complicity in it.

Re: Intel removes Xinjiang references from shareholder letter

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Post by ILMostro7 »

goblin89 wrote: post #137
vanusa wrote: post #123

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So is the position of Intel that slave labour in concentration camps is an acceptable means of production? You read correctly. That is exactly their position. Not that they are fans of slave labour or of what is happening to the Uyghur people, per se. Just that in the scheme of things - as long the sales channels remain open and unimpeded - they consider it perfectly acceptable to do business in countries where genoc…

If slavery, segregation, religious prosecution, mass killings and forced sterilizations took place in the West at some point, does it make those things OK for the remainder of humanity’s history? No one was perfect at all times from day 1, but we should try to hold our partners, and by implication ourselves, to higher standards now that we have agreed to put the aforementioned actions at the extreme left side of the…

Wait and see. Maybe they just need to get their version of the Holocaust to get it out of their system. Deep down, they are good people doing horrific things. So, we just need to let them catch up while they repeat history's horrific acts with impunity.

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Post by jchook »

alkonaut wrote: post #187
jchook wrote: post #94

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It’s economic warfare against a destabilized region that only recently quelled constant terrorism. The US casts a blanket assumption that ALL products from the region are produced by slave labor unless proven otherwise. That’s backwards. And meanwhile US government and corporations have no problem buying products produced by US prison slave labor, or overseas child labor.

Every country and company on the planet should of course assume the worst - until free and independent media is free to report on it. Are Intel execs given objective reports by independent journalists who are given access to all areas and are free to write an report as they want on it? Until then, Intel execs should assume that any rumor of wrongdoing in the province is true. It's as simple as that. One simply doesn'…

Why doesn’t the US impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia for their genocide of Yemen?

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harpersealtako wrote: post #160
999900000999 wrote: post #63

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Interned prisoners in Xinjiang, China are detained with no due process without having ever committed a crime. They are systematically forced to abandon their religion, their culture, and their identity. They are tortured physically and mentally, with beatings, and electric shocks, and waterboarded. They are forcibly sterilized. They are brainwashed as a condition to even be fed, which they are often not. There is for…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder

Kid was held without trial for 3 years.

I'm not saying who's worse, I'm saying we need to do better before we critic others.

https://eji.org/issues/children-in-prison/

We put kids in prison here.

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Post by ei8htyfi5e »

999900000999 wrote: post #63
axiosgunnar wrote: post #2

Name and shame. We need to divest our manufacturing from China. Perhaps by exposing such practices and nagging hypocrytical companies we can make divestment happen sooner? Twitter mobs could be used for good once.

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Post by design-material »

trasz wrote: post #171
network2592 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. Do not confuse lack of action with lack of caring. Effective action may require collective action. But individually, most people care. Yet, collectively, they cannot seem to do anything meaningful. You are making a statement that is the definition of an ecological fallacy [0] The article you pointed out is hardly balanced. The access of journalists…

>Most people would be unequivocally against slave concentration camps. When they exist. We know they exist in the US (private prisons), but there are no reliable sources that confirm they still exist in China.

There are numerous reliable sources that have confirmed the existence of Chinese Concentration Camps.

Whether you dismiss them is up to you, but the fact remains that numerous sources have reported on the existence of Chinese Concentration Camps.

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Post by random314 »

mmaunder wrote: post #166

What I find most dangerous about the United States bending to the will of China via their corporations is that it's affecting our story telling. The stories we tell define how we remember history, who our heroes are and what we think is worth fighting for. In 2012 the script of Red Dawn (a remake) was changed so that it was the North Koreans invading the US rather than the Chinese. This was done to avoid provoking th…

Or the fact that Dr. Strange trains in Nepal, instead of Tibet. Just mentioning Tibet is verboten.
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