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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by perardi »

01100011 wrote: post #645
BobbyJo wrote: post #544

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We aren't short on 'resources', we are short on doctors and nurses. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at things, the number of doctors isn't going to change drastically. You can pay them 10x and the number won't change. We only have so many medical schools, and so many people willing to throw themselves on the sword to get through them. Nurses are a little more flexible in that more money might mean more nur…

> It doesn't matter how much money you throw at things, the number of doctors isn't going to change drastically. I don't think that's true. If being a doctor had the same work:pay ratio as being a SW dev I think you'd have more smart people choosing that career. Health regulations and extra procedures certainly helped to discourage employment as well, but I think pay would help. > I don't see hospitals needing the sa…

> If being a doctor had the same work:pay ratio as being a SW dev I think you'd have more smart people choosing that career. Health regulations and extra procedures certainly helped to discourage employment as well, but I think pay would help.

I just have the compulsive need as the son of a nurse, who is now dating a nurse: nurses could use the monetary incentive, too.

And I have to feel the vast amount of regulatory paperwork doctors (and other medical providers) have to go through is a constant nagging discouragement. I mean, I think that evolved for good reasons, to help create accountability to to ease care when the patient enters a different part of the system, but holy crap, it’s a lot of forms to fill out as a medical care worker.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by valachio »

Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

There is also the possibility that we will look back on history and realize how hysteria and media fearmongering drove human society to take wholly unnecessary measures and paved a path towards more authoritarianism, more surveillance, a financial crisis due to the government printing trillions of dollars which a lot of it is going into the stock market and driving up companies to insane valuations, creating a generation of software addicts due to the pandemic forcing teenagers to stay home and cope using their computers as opposed to going out and interacting with their peers in person, and a myriad of other problems that we do not yet see in the short-term.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by BTCOG »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #345
nradov wrote: post #326

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RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. We don't shut down society because of RSV. https://www.medscape.com/answers/971488-177692/what-is-the-p...

> RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. Children don’t exist in isolation. They’re phenomenally good at spreading every infection to the rest of the household and everywhere else they go. Trying to focus on children's outcomes and ignoring all of the second-order effects is dishonest. Children don’t live alone.

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by uptownfunk »

If you think this is bad, wait until there is a recombinant variant that is a mix of Delta and Omicron. They are already calling it deltacron.

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Frankly, I don't know how much more the collective psychological fabric can withstand. So many are well-past their breaking point.

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Sending positive thoughts to all of you that we can continue to survive and persevere.

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Many of us don't have the option to just stop (as much as I'd like to). I've got a wife and two kids to provide for. My asthmatic mom just caught Covid. I'm past burnt out but I'm just showing up until I can't even do that anymore. I'd consider myself a pretty tough person normally but this thing has just broken me. I can't imagine how others are coping.

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Meanwhile I'm left thinking, how can we go on like this? How can I help others?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by [deleted] »

mizzack wrote: post #246
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dehrmann »

vmception wrote: post #122

Great article! Just a week or two ago on this forum there were people willing to treat me like a far right conservative or a general anti-vaxxer from the facebook troll factory, just because I didn't like a private institution’s booster mandate. That was fascinating.

I'm not sure vaccine or booster mandates make sense anymore because they're not effective enough against stopping the spread of omicron. Charging more for insurance for the unvaccinated still makes sense, though.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by georgeburdell »

nradov wrote: post #326
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. We don't shut down society because of RSV. https://www.medscape.com/answers/971488-177692/what-is-the-p...

RSV is the worst virus I've had in a decade, probably since I had shingles in my twenties. My daughter brought it home from daycare and both my partner and I had a low-grade fever for 2 weeks, and a bad dry cough for another 2 weeks after that that would wake us up multiple times a night. Daughter bounced back in about half the time. By contrast, Covid hit us all recently and we were all 100% within the week. Your mileage may vary.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by [deleted] »

quocanh wrote: post #359
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #332

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We all know that most people get COVID and then get over it, but using a few neutral anecdotes to deny the other issues is like trying to invalidate global warming because the weather isn’t hot where you live. It’s not about comparing all of our anecdotes.

If you're willing to dismiss an anecdote then you should also dismiss the first anecdote in this thread. If you're willing to listen to an anecdote, then you should also listen to the second anecdote in this thread. This is about more than denying issues. It's about trying to get the whole picture. Ignoring any anecdotes you don't agree with doesn't help you get the whole picture.

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by hiptobecubic »

mizzack wrote: post #246
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

Do we _need_ anecdotes though? We have a lot of data.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by dataflow »

georgekv wrote: post #647
afavour wrote: post #435

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I kind of regret even mentioning the effects of COVID in my original comment as I figured there would be a reply like yours and you're not wrong! But it wasn't the main point I was trying to make. My main point is that everyone just seems to have moved on from under 5s. We've adopted a stance of "vaxxed and done" for adults and older children and paid no attention to the vax trials for under 5s taking forever. It's b…

The biggest reason the under 5s vaccine is taking so long is that they don't suffer severe enough symptoms that they can easily test the efficacy of the virus. The same issue was there with the 5-11s but pharma, CDC, & FDA just glossed over that to approve the vaccines.

> that they can easily test the efficacy of the virus

I think you meant to type 'vaccine'

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