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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ryandrake »

yupper32 wrote: post #211
zzzeek wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wow, you just had a really awful covid experience despite having all preventive measures in place, and now that you're "done" it's time to take off the masks for everyone? thanks for "letting the chips fall where they may" on everyone else who still would much prefer not to get sick and risk long covid but I will keep the mask on for now, thanks

> everyone else who still would much prefer not to get sick and risk long covid but I will keep the mask on for now, thanks But what's the plan? Covid is showing no signs of going away. If things stay the same, is your stance going to change in a year? 3? 5?

People's stances should change as reality and conditions on the ground change, not based on some arbitrary number of months/years pulled out of the sky. What makes 3 years special, or 5 years? We may be at the very beginning of a COVID decade or even century. Do you know for sure how long this will last? Does anyone? Part of why we can't get past this thing is politicians declaring "We must be back to normal in [TIMEFRAME X]" where TIMEFRAME X was arbitrarily chosen and has nothing to do with reality.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by gilbetron »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376
snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

I think you're inventing a past that didn't exist. Were this pandemic to strike in the 70s or 80s (or earlier), we would undoubtedly have given people little choice to be vaccinated, but we also probably wouldn't have forced people nearly as much. Today we are stuck with these people running around talking about their freedom, when one of the main reasons for government is public health.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by locallost »

I'm in this group. It's not that I desperately want to go on a vacation or back to a normal life, whatever that is, but that the governments around the world have demonstrated total cluelessness on how to fix the problem. And I am even OK with that! Nobody knows and it's ok. But at least show some form of a plan and stick to it. Instead we have just a ton of interest groups each pulling in their own direction. So we have lockdowns, maybe something is gained from it, but then everything opens up, we need to save restaurants etc. and then of course we need another lockdown and so on. We're not accomplishing anything, that we have a new worse variant every nine months is proof of that. So yeah, I got my booster, I wear a mask, test when meeting larger groups of people (and others do too), but obsessing about it all day does not accomplish anything.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by jacquesm »

hutzlibu wrote: post #320
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

"a months-long scratchy cough" But isn't that normal at times for a cold season with kids? There are lots of really nasty diseases children can get, where safe vaccinations exist. But most data so far told me with covid I have to worry much more about the social developement of my kids. That was really restricted and that is not good.

Not this cough. One of my children has this and he sounds more like his 86 year old uncle than a normal child, and it's been going on for ever, without much in terms of improvement. I really pity him. But I'm coughing just as bad...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by robbrown451 »

jsodw wrote: post #341
afavour wrote: post #129

I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

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And we don't know the long term psychological effects of wearing masks and social distancing. Those may be substantial as well, especially if it goes on for more than 2 years.

Long term COVID is known to exist, long term effects of vaccination are not and there is no reason to think they are likely.

(me: vaxxed, boosted, happy to boost some more. My 7 year old: vaxxed. My attitude: exactly as described as a "VAD" in the article)

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Retric »

quocanh wrote: post #359
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We all know that most people get COVID and then get over it, but using a few neutral anecdotes to deny the other issues is like trying to invalidate global warming because the weather isn’t hot where you live. It’s not about comparing all of our anecdotes.

If you're willing to dismiss an anecdote then you should also dismiss the first anecdote in this thread. If you're willing to listen to an anecdote, then you should also listen to the second anecdote in this thread. This is about more than denying issues. It's about trying to get the whole picture. Ignoring any anecdotes you don't agree with doesn't help you get the whole picture.

Positive and negative anecdotes don’t directly cancel.

Suppose 990/1,000 people that took a pill where fine and the rest died. Clearly it’s a serious risk even if you’re almost guaranteed to be fine. Looking at anecdotal evidence would show “most people where fine”/“10 cases of people dying!” But let’s change the numbers 999,999,990/1,000,000,000 took a pill and 10 died, now is it a serious risk or roughly as dangerous as driving to work? You still have “10 cases of people dying!” but it’s nowhere near the same thing.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by lambdaba »

toshk wrote: post #368

Of course people are done with it. Vaccinations were sold as the solution to the pandemic. Yet worldwide infections are going up at the same speed if not faster than before vaccinations. But no policy maker acknowledges this. They refer to the lowered death rate, or blame a new variant. But it means that policy that gave people more freedom because of their vaccination status are not having any significant effect on…

A lot of people at all levels are having a huge boost in the power (or influence) they can exert. It's hard to convince them to give it away, especially when they have still a sizable crowd cheering them on.

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Post by Macuyiko »

jorblumesea wrote: post #477
agensaequivocum wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My whole family had covid last February including my three young children including one under 1. The children had the mildest symptoms. If you are worried about your children getting covid then I hope you never let near a car as they are much more likely to die in a car crash than covid. If you want to continue locking your self up fine, I don't care. Just don't try to force others to do the same.

But you spread the virus, so it's not just about your own personal experience.

So do people who are vaccinated and catch covid, sadly.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

dirtyid wrote: post #362

Vaxed, booted, probably going to get omicron + super immunity before winter ends. What else is there to do. Lowkey waiting for crop dusters to drop aerosolized vaccine on the regular.

>Lowkey waiting for crop dusters to drop aerosolized vaccine on the regular.

Yeah, just like with DDT!

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by creato »

holbrad wrote: post #380
bko wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away... That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a foreseeable future. Well, one can cry for the world that was, or one can get up and live in the world that is. Whats the magic number? There are places like New York that have 95% over 18 wi…

It's almost like the COVID vaccines don't work very well to prevent spread. (It clearly helps against being hospitalised)

It’s almost like the variants of the virus prevalent today are very, very different from those when those estimates were produced.
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