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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). I…

American doctors all use fax machines and “heavy paper files” to transmit referrals. Who cares? An enormous amount of working Americans have no healthcare at all. Would you prefer that?

The Canadian Healthcare system will never improve if we keep saying "but, but it's better than Americas!".

Our healthcare system is a disgrace and our governments only get away with it because they can point to the bogeyman down south.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Are you saying that until young kids can get vaccinated, it is not safe enough to remove shutdown protocols for preschools? Parent of 2 very young kids here btw - it's been brutal, I feel your pain. Frankly, our kids get enough other diseases from nursery that a months-long scratchy cough doesn't sound too terrifying.

The challenge is the lack of data on long-term effects of COVID. Preliminary studies have linked it to cognitive declines [1], diabetes [2], and chronic fatigue [3]. And while death from COVID in a preschooler is about a 1-in-100,000 occurrence, long COVID and other chronic outcomes seem to be much more common. I've heard figures of about 5% or 1 in 20. Few parents would willingly sign their preschooler (or themselve…

Like much of what the CDC puts out these days (e.g. "natural immunity is less effective than vaccine-induced"), their diabetes study is junk science: https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/does-covid19-cause-d...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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It's amazing how many can't see overshoot when they're in. Even more amazing that they don't realize that those who are the loudest in overshoot tend to end up being those most effected by the blowback that results. Funny enough, one of those is going to end up being Donald Trump, who is still trying very hard to cast himself as the savior of the pandemic. Of course he will be mostly isolated from the consequences other than having his dream of a 2024 comeback dashed. It's going to be hard on those with lesser resources to ameliorate the storm they find themselves in.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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I'm vaxxed. I'm boosted. I'd very much like to be done. But my children cannot be vaccinated. As a parent of a young kid it kind of feels like everyone has just moved on. I know folks in here will tell me that statistically speaking my children are unlikely to be hospitalized and so on, and I agree. But I know enough kids who got COVID and suffered the symptoms (e.g. a months-long scratchy cough) that I'm not going t…

RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children. We don't shut down society because of RSV. https://www.medscape.com/answers/971488-177692/what-is-the-p...

> RSV is more dangerous than COVID-19 for most small children.

Children don’t exist in isolation. They’re phenomenally good at spreading every infection to the rest of the household and everywhere else they go.

Trying to focus on children's outcomes and ignoring all of the second-order effects is dishonest. Children don’t live alone.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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It's interesting that you phrase it that way, because I was thinking exactly the same thing, but from the opposite direction. I caught covid early, and while (for me) it was a nasty bug, I recovered with nothing more than a lingering cough for several weeks. Against enormous pressure I decided not to get vaccinated. Everything I read supported that natural immunity is at least as protective as the vaccine, and most s…

If you don’t mind, why not get vaccinated? Like, what is the downside? I know this is a dangerous topic, especially on the internet with strangers, so feel free to just not respond - that would be understandable. But I am curious to hear your thought process.

He has natural immunity. There are literally only downside risks from taking the shot. Who gets vaccinated for a disease they already had? No one gets measles and THEN gets vaccinated.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

The CDC is a bought voice of the corporate ruling class whose only interest at this point is getting working people back to work, with the exception of the pharmaceutical companies who want people to get vaccines. This is why the government has no consistent position on anything.

I get your point as a summary judgment, but it lacks evidence, not veracity. The CDC has multiple entities, some of which are non-governmental, and supported by business interests. Some would say that a little yeast spreads throughout the loaf.

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Ahh. it begins. - US midterm is coming up in november. - One of Biden's major election point was combating Covid and curbing infections. - This has largely been a catastrophic failure. More Americans have died from Covid under Biden than under Trump (not that it matters) So, the left media will now begin a year long campaign down playing domestic covid severity, and make sure that Covid will NOT be a major talking po…

> What will be really interesting is just how the medical community is so detached from the political community.

Regretfully, I don't think this is actually true anymore. I can only speak for the US. Maybe it was never true, but we're just now seeing it. The health insurance industry is heavily political, lots of money is spent drafting business friendly regulation. The pharma industry has an incestuous relation with the regulatory bodies that are supposed to keep it in check. So, it's note exactly red vs blue politics, but in my mind, there is a degree of green politics, and the actual politicians are simply clamoring for scraps of political capital during the crisis, while big pharma and unelected bureaucrats are spending tax payer dollars and controlling the medical community.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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> To understand how ideologically scrambling the Omicron wave has been, consider this: Some 2022 Democrats are sounding like 2020 Republicans. ... In the current Omicron wave, these Republican talking points seem to have mostly come true—for most vaccinated non-senior adults, who are disproportionately Democrats.

This is such a stupid lead sentence. 2020 Republicans and 2022 Democrats are talking about different diseases in an entirely different global context.

The talking points didn't "come true" any more than saying it's raining while it's sunny out "comes true" if it happens to start raining a week later. The Republicans in 2020 were completely wrong to downplay the seriousness of a rapidly spreading disease we knew little about, that was killing thousands of people, and that we had no vaccines or good treatments for.

The fact that the current strain is less deadly, we've learned more about it, millions are vaccinated, and we have better treatments doesn't mean they were somehow right all along.

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