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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by celtain »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months?

Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by bluGill »

ren_engineer wrote: post #140
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #17

I'm fully vax'd and boosted. I'll probably continue to get boosted in the future. All that said? I feel like the government did a really bad job communicating who needs the booster and when. First, they gave vague recommendations to immunocompromised folks. They said everyone else probably didn't need it. Then they said well, ok for older folks. Then this new omni variant comes out and they're badgering everyone to g…

the bigger problem is that their initial selling point for the vaccine was "get your 2 shots and everything goes back to normal". Many people grudgingly got it despite some hesitancy and now have even less trust of the government now that the goal posts are shifting yet again

If enough people had got their shots worldwide that would have worked. However enough is at least 80% of the world population, and maybe as much as 95%. There wasn't enough supply in the world. If the 95% number is correct kids young enough still are not approved to reach that, mutations keep making the number higher, though we might need to get a new vaccine that covers new variants.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by jaywalk »

srcreigh wrote: post #139
wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

The only hard question is hospital triaging. Who gets treatment if there's only room for 50% or 20%? Who can even decide? Does anyone volunteer to be excluded from medical care? This affects more than just covid patients too. Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take. And yes, lockdown measures a…

> As viruses can remain active on surfaces, unless you irradiate the deliveries with a UV lamp (and do it again after unboxing them, since there may be viruses on the actual item) even that would not be enough.

Covid does not spread in any meaningful way via surfaces. All of the cleaning and disinfecting nonsense that is still going on is pure theatre.

> Any way we choose, it amounts to sacrificing XYZk people so we can go back to living a normal life. I don't think that's an exchange most people are willing to take.

It's an exchange everyone makes every single day in order for society to function.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by cblconfederate »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #177
cblconfederate wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think 3 is enough but not 4. That's not rational, its just psychologically comforting

the reasoning is 3 provides robust long term immunity due to the several month gap between 2 and 3. While 4 won't add much benefit except to boost antibody count for a short while.

so just like 3

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by irrational »

I'm somewhat concerned by this notion that eventually everyone will get the Omicron variant. I personally do not have any family members, friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. that have gotten any form of Covid (that I know of), much less died. We've all continued to wear masks and social distance and have gotten vaccinated. None of us has even had a little cold in 2 years! I hope that "everyone will eventually get the Omicron variant" is not true.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by wonderwonder »

elpakal wrote: post #159
wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

American here, totally agree with your points and upvoted. I’m just wondering if you can provide a source for this? > They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/28/22855392/full...

I said "does not reduce" I meant to say "does not remove". My fault.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ya_throw »

jmole wrote: post #55
drewg123 wrote: post #26

I think a lot of this depends on the typical severity of Omicron (and future variants). I'm vaccinated and boosted. I wear a mask in public. I don't go out much. I do travel fairly regularly (fly maybe 1-2x per month). I finally got Covid last week, likely on a flight. I had ~3 days of mild cold-like symptoms (sore throat, runny nose, congestion, very low grade fever that approached 101F). It was far less severe than…

Exactly - Delta had a reputation for being both prolific and extremely virulent. Long COVID, loss of smell & taste, heart and lung problems, etc. A terrible illness. Omicron seems to carry far fewer of those risks from what data we have, especially if you are vaccinated.

Interesting. Here in the UK, Delta wasn't too much of a concern. I suspect because the public messaging was much more focused on getting everyone vaccinated.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by evandwight »

Insanity wrote: post #167
Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). I…

Unlikely to ever find a gp - Victoria Bc

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by sophacles »

deltarholamda wrote: post #118
sophacles wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is the government should have predicted the future perfectly, and given Post-Omicron guidelines months before it emerged?

The government said, at first, that nobody needed to go out and buy masks, because they won't do any good. And then the government said you had to wear a mask or you couldn't enter into buildings. Now, the reasoning for the former was that they were concerned about PPE supplies, but that doesn't change the fact they reversed themselves very shortly, and expected people to forget the earlier messaging. The government…

I think you are reading way more into my response than I wrote. I literally rephrased a position specifically about the government's communication of booster shots in the form of a question highlighting the illogical portion of the position.

* I have not made and continue to not make any statements regarding mask communication, nor about reports on reasoning for that.

* I am not engaging in nor countering absurd conspiracy theories

* I am not broadcasting my feelings and thoughts on political purposes and what I do or do not see to you, so I don't know why you think you are capable of surmising what I can and cannot see.

* I do find hilarious how very angry you are that I pointed a logical inconsistency.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Mikeb85 »

he0001 wrote: post #156
Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

How deadly does a disease have to be for you to feel it’s not worth the risk? 1%, 10%, 50%?

Depends how virulent. SARS, Ebola and others have come and gone.

I've lost 3 people to cancer this pandemic. Been to 20+ funerals in my life and I'm barely over 30. Never lost anyone to any transmissible disease.

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