More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’ • Hacker News Board

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by cryptonector » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:11 PM UTC

dragontamer wrote: post #3

torstenvl wrote: post #2

I think it boils down to two questions: - What is the average level of risk to someone taking reasonable personal precautions? - What level of state-sponsored violence is justifiable to further reduce that risk? Governments and societies have been acting out-of-control and it needs to stop. If people don't want to take personal precautions, they should be at liberty to assume the additional risk.

> - What is the average level of risk to someone taking reasonable personal precautions? Depends on how full hospitals get. We all get into accidents. We fall and hit our heads, we might get a heart attack, a pregnancy might suddenly go bad and a C-section (or worse surgery) is needed. As COVID19 fills up hospitals around the country, the risk isn't from Omicron itself anymore, as much as it is from an overburdened h…

News flash: hospitals are businesses, and like all businesses, they are most profitable when running at close to capacity, therefore they're at close to capacity most of the time because staffing is sized accordingly.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by VeninVidiaVicii » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:11 PM UTC

mizzack wrote: post #110

VeninVidiaVicii wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is effectively a disconnect between science and public policy. Science teaches us to keep our minds open to new data, so we can make new conclusions as we go. People just seem to get pissed when public policy changes in light of new data, lending to the narrative that scientists don't know what they're talking about.

People are getting pissed that public policy and messaging is changing WITHOUT new data. In the past week: - The CDC director acknowledged and downplayed the severity of omicron by stating the vast majority of hospitalized patients have multiple comorbidities. This has been true since the start of the pandemic, but is only being addressed now. - CDC and several states are making the distinction between "hospitalized…

If I've learned anything through this pandemic, it's that people are always much more enraged than I could have imagined. It seems like everyone's looking for something new to focus all their rage onto.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:11 PM UTC

ashtonkem wrote: post #47

denimnerd42 wrote: post #12

i think i'm done with current level vaccines. I've had 3 mrna. The second and third each took me out for 2 days. I don't see any reason for more unless a better one comes out. I do think 3 are important though.

I’ve gotten my flu shot yearly for my entire living memory. I don’t really understand why a booster vaccine for a pandemic that’s killed an order of magnitude more people than the flu does per year is some serious burden.

The lethality of influenza is grossly overexagerated to sell vaccines. This started in the 90s when pharma realized there was an untapped market of aging Americans they could scare into creating demand for their product.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by zzzeek » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

EMM_386 wrote: post #14

I'm double vaxxed and boosted and just spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid. I actually entered the hospital without Covid and got it while I was in there. They had the entire place divided into separate wings and I had to be transferred between them. 103 degree fever, pulse 130, was pretty awful but came out of it fine. I, too, am done with all of it. Let the chips fall where they may now.

wow, you just had a really awful covid experience despite having all preventive measures in place, and now that you're "done" it's time to take off the masks for everyone?

thanks for "letting the chips fall where they may" on everyone else who still would much prefer not to get sick and risk long covid but I will keep the mask on for now, thanks

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by smegsicle » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

millzlane wrote: post #94

VeninVidiaVicii wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is effectively a disconnect between science and public policy. Science teaches us to keep our minds open to new data, so we can make new conclusions as we go. People just seem to get pissed when public policy changes in light of new data, lending to the narrative that scientists don't know what they're talking about.

The fact that recent science can be proven wrong after more data come out seems to be some sort of "gotcha!" for them.

"Science" can't be wrong, just the interpretation. And if the popular interpreters are frequently wrong, they should be called out.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by he0001 » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

How deadly does a disease have to be for you to feel it’s not worth the risk? 1%, 10%, 50%?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by xeromal » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

drewg123 wrote: post #144

xeromal wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is anecdotal, but I'm the only one in my family who is vaccinated (which took me catching swine flu years ago to convince me), but my elderly mom and younger brother and sister had omicron and all had the same symptoms while be unvaccinated. I was in the house but didn't catch omicron due to the vaccine (I guess?).

Did you take a test? The person I'm staying with also tested positive, but she had no symptoms at all..

Yup, I took a test every other day until 5 days after. This was in GA where there is plenty of vaccine and tests to go around due to non-compliance (I guess?)

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by thakoppno » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

deltarholamda wrote: post #118

sophacles wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is the government should have predicted the future perfectly, and given Post-Omicron guidelines months before it emerged?

The government said, at first, that nobody needed to go out and buy masks, because they won't do any good. And then the government said you had to wear a mask or you couldn't enter into buildings. Now, the reasoning for the former was that they were concerned about PPE supplies, but that doesn't change the fact they reversed themselves very shortly, and expected people to forget the earlier messaging. The government…

> “The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through the material.”

It seems to me from this excerpt of his email to a colleague on February 5, 2020, Fauci really did not think masks were effective initially.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by elpakal » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

American here, totally agree with your points and upvoted. I’m just wondering if you can provide a source for this?

> They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by csdvrx » Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 7:12 PM UTC

wonderwonder wrote: post #124

I am one of those, triple vaxxed and done. CDC has now said that the majority of those that died had 4+ co-morbidities. They have also indicated that getting vaccinated does not reduce your ability to spread the virus. So if that is the case, there is no longer a real need to vilify the unvaxxed. CDC statement appears to indicate that the primary reason for people dying is poor physical health prior to infection. Wit…

> Omicron is essentially impossible to avoid at this point short of locking yourself in a room and having everything delivered to your front door. The risks are known and its time to trust people to weigh those risks and make their own decisions.

As viruses can remain active on surfaces, unless you irradiate the deliveries with a UV lamp (and do it again after unboxing them, since there may be viruses on the actual item) even that would not be enough.

> Even if we locked down for 3 months, once we were released someone from another country would come in and re-infect everyone again.

That's if you assume away animals, as viruses that affect mammals are rarely limited to humans (ex: chicken flu)

> Also during lock down do we once again tell the poorest among us that while they are 'essential' that they are also worth less and must continue to work and face the risk alone so as to ensure the rest of us can isolate in safety at home

Agreed. It's time to accept we're not immortals, viruses exist, and yes it's a shame that covid is now endemic, but it's even worse to perform lockdowns of dubious efficiency that only have one guaranteed effect: hurting the economy, and the "poorest among us".