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Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by jbirer »

jraph wrote: post #36

I will take anything that could make people switch from Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp to Signal, even if my preference actually goes to Element / Matrix. Lately, people around me have been installing Signal, or I've met people would already have Signal, and it's been enjoyable to, at last, participate in fun group chats. They didn't miss me before but I'm happy to be there now. Signal works well. I'd like to be able…

I skipped Element on the basis that it needs too much information, I can use a burner SIM on signal, but I need e-mail or something to use Element.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by Arathorn »

mlok wrote: post #138
i5heu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What speaks against riot+matrix?

Related : I converted some friends to Element+Matrix. Then some unbearable bug showed up in Element UI and we had to move away immediately (I reported the bug to the Element project, and a year after the correction is still in progress) so I moved us to the next best solution : Signal. It works really fine. (although a pain not offering conveniences like : easy chat backups, and difficulty to move your conversations…

Please can you point me at the bug in question? It shouldn't be taking us a year to fix unbearable stuff :(

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by kitkat_new »

jbirer wrote: post #141
jraph wrote: post #36

I will take anything that could make people switch from Facebook Messenger or WhatsApp to Signal, even if my preference actually goes to Element / Matrix. Lately, people around me have been installing Signal, or I've met people would already have Signal, and it's been enjoyable to, at last, participate in fun group chats. They didn't miss me before but I'm happy to be there now. Signal works well. I'd like to be able…

I skipped Element on the basis that it needs too much information, I can use a burner SIM on signal, but I need e-mail or something to use Element.

it's probably easier to find a burner email address than getting a burner SIM.

Anyways, while the default server in Element may require email atm, it is not a general requirement and depends on the server you select

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by diggernet »

slickdork wrote: post #74
jbreitbart wrote: post #47

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I intentionally drop all messages from time to time (typically once I get a new device). Am I the only one who feels like loosing old conversations is just fine? After all, I don’t remember all conversations I had in person as well. I understand that loosing them at an unexpected time can be annoying and a backup is useful, but I personally never had a use for that feature and knowing that it is annoying for someone…

I set signal to auto delete messages older than 2 weeks. There is zero reason to keep messages of a personal relation longer than that, for me at least. I am prone to nostalgic romanticizing, and not having access to past messages kind of solves that problem.

I just wish there was a way to lock specific important messages to exempt them from auto delete.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

#145

Post by abnercoimbre »

emptysongglass wrote: post #122
abnercoimbre wrote: post #92

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My conference [0] spins up a brand new Matrix server each event. It's the equivalent of having hallway conversations that shouldn't be tracked. Not everything needs to live on forever. [0] https://handmade-seattle.com

I just think this is incredibly cool. Is there public source code to this?

Hey sorry I saw this a couple of days late. Glad you think it's cool! It's closed-source at the moment, but I do dive into technical details in newsletters [0] whenever I can. If you prefer RSS [1] we have that too.

Cheers.

[0] https://media.handmade-seattle.com/subscribe

[1] https://media.handmade-seattle.com/rss

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by ldarby »

Arathorn wrote: post #142
mlok wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related : I converted some friends to Element+Matrix. Then some unbearable bug showed up in Element UI and we had to move away immediately (I reported the bug to the Element project, and a year after the correction is still in progress) so I moved us to the next best solution : Signal. It works really fine. (although a pain not offering conveniences like : easy chat backups, and difficulty to move your conversations…

Please can you point me at the bug in question? It shouldn't be taking us a year to fix unbearable stuff :(

I'm not OP but a while ago I wrote this comment which you responded to:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27206569

Since then basically none of the specific bugs I cared about got fixed (that I think could be unbearable to me, some of them definitely are, not sure about all), which are: 8751, 9437, 9811, 10287, 10577, 13263, 13485, 14323, 14424, 15416, 15565, 16123, 16184, 16763, and 16807, all these were all opened before my comment, and everything earlier than 16123 is more than one year old and still open. Maybe one of those is miok's. Newer ones raised since then that also look important to me at first glance: 20046, 20005, 19929, 18458, 17838, 17218.

Also there is this closed bug still attracting comments: https://github.com/vector-im/element-web/issues/15500#issuec....

As much as I hate NPS scores in the industry, I think these bugs are preventing Matrix from getting new promoters.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by mlok »

Arathorn wrote: post #142
mlok wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related : I converted some friends to Element+Matrix. Then some unbearable bug showed up in Element UI and we had to move away immediately (I reported the bug to the Element project, and a year after the correction is still in progress) so I moved us to the next best solution : Signal. It works really fine. (although a pain not offering conveniences like : easy chat backups, and difficulty to move your conversations…

Please can you point me at the bug in question? It shouldn't be taking us a year to fix unbearable stuff :(

This is the one I am talking about : https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/516

Same issue is discussed here : https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/1192

(I cannot find my own ticket which was a dupe of these ones)

The first mention of it is 2.5 years old.

For my non tech friend this was so annoying (whatever she tried that stuck message was still there) that she wanted a solution fast. I gave up after a few tries to solve this. (Like the classic : uninstall / reinstall) And I decided she didn't have to suffer this, just because I have ideals about software philosophy. Thanks god, Signal exists and my friends were okay to trust me on this one more time :)

I really hope to come back to Matrix one day ! (We really enjoyed it for nearly a year before this bug came up)

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by Sunspark »

Nextgrid wrote: post #133
Sunspark wrote: post #93

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Boss, let's edit our images using GIMP. No, it's not one of the banned words in the HR guide.. I mean yes it is, but that's not what it means.

GIMP at least has an excuse in the sense that its success doesn't depend on network effects. It can win purely on technical merit. Social apps on the other hand need network effects to win regardless of how good they are technically. A stupid name there is suicide.

Bumble, what you want to do when dating.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by jimkleiber »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #140
jimkleiber wrote: post #137

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But how to know whether it makes progress or not?

Exactly. Maybe it's all just a very clever proof of waste. Advertizement industry certainly looks like a cancer on collective conscioussness. Maybe art can supplant it. Extravagant displays of nothing in particular.

Figure out a new business model and I imagine many platforms will gladly move away from advertising. Advertising, unfortunately, has a pretty strong growth model. People get something for free and advertisers pay increasing prices for the one ad spot and when the spot maximizes its price, the platform creates more spots. As most business models, it burns out eventually, but subscriptions seem to burn out more quickly.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by Arathorn »

mlok wrote: post #147
Arathorn wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please can you point me at the bug in question? It shouldn't be taking us a year to fix unbearable stuff :(

This is the one I am talking about : https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/516 Same issue is discussed here : https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/1192 (I cannot find my own ticket which was a dupe of these ones) The first mention of it is 2.5 years old. For my non tech friend this was so annoying (whatever she tried that stuck message was still there) that she wanted a solution fast . I…

Thanks for pointing me at it; we revisited the bug and (at last) found what looks like the root cause: https://github.com/vector-im/element-android/issues/516#issu....
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