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Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by stereoradonc »

slickdork wrote: post #74
jbreitbart wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I intentionally drop all messages from time to time (typically once I get a new device). Am I the only one who feels like loosing old conversations is just fine? After all, I don’t remember all conversations I had in person as well. I understand that loosing them at an unexpected time can be annoying and a backup is useful, but I personally never had a use for that feature and knowing that it is annoying for someone…

I set signal to auto delete messages older than 2 weeks. There is zero reason to keep messages of a personal relation longer than that, for me at least. I am prone to nostalgic romanticizing, and not having access to past messages kind of solves that problem.

That option exists for Telegram as well. You can set it up for 3 days to 1 month

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by jimkleiber »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #129
jimkleiber wrote: post #39

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I'm confused at how stories may make this no longer a decent e2ee app. Is it that you actively dislike stories and don't want other people to have the option to use them? While you may not want them, is it possible your family does and this may even make it easier for them to switch to Signal (and stay) than not? Not trying to add snark, just genuinely curious why the addition of stories would detract from its e2ee n…

Budgets are necessarily spent somewhere. A useless feature is paid work away from maintenance and staying relevant.

Ah, spreading too thin. Yes, I think that's a possibility. I also think not developing certain features can make one lose relevance. It's a trade off, no? I guess it just depends on someone's definition of a feature being "useless" and "irrelevant." Someone else sees live location as a necessary feature, I've never used it. Whereas I use statuses on WhatsApp almost every day.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by Nextgrid »

Sunspark wrote: post #93
Nextgrid wrote: post #30

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Good luck getting mainstream acceptance for something that sounds like a furry dating site.

Boss, let's edit our images using GIMP. No, it's not one of the banned words in the HR guide.. I mean yes it is, but that's not what it means.

GIMP at least has an excuse in the sense that its success doesn't depend on network effects. It can win purely on technical merit.

Social apps on the other hand need network effects to win regardless of how good they are technically. A stupid name there is suicide.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

jimkleiber wrote: post #132
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Budgets are necessarily spent somewhere. A useless feature is paid work away from maintenance and staying relevant.

Ah, spreading too thin. Yes, I think that's a possibility. I also think not developing certain features can make one lose relevance. It's a trade off, no? I guess it just depends on someone's definition of a feature being "useless" and "irrelevant." Someone else sees live location as a necessary feature, I've never used it. Whereas I use statuses on WhatsApp almost every day.

Yup. Social media is constantly searching for the perfect product by trying out ridiculous but interesting combinations of technologies. Something works, we try out different stuff and hope to make progress.

But where is progress taking us? Should we follow it blindly?

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by crossroadsguy »

i5heu wrote: post #21
Mystlix wrote: post #16

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I can discreetly share text, images or videos with a subset of my contacts all at once without bothering them in a private conversation. They all appear in order and in full without some algorithmic trickery, they get flushed after a day or so and my friends can decide if they want to give them a look or not. It's a very nice feature especially for the kind of general stuff that I wouldn't want to personally send to…

Yes! I love stories. They are a subtle way to share cool stuff and avoid to be seen as annoying if you are the type of person that likes to share nice things ^^

What’s stories? Any article they’ve published about it? Is it like the WhatsApp “Status” feature? Which is more like a 24 hr tweet if I can say so.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by crossroadsguy »

i5heu wrote: post #19
vanilla_nut wrote: post #17

God fucking dammit. I literally just put my reputation on the line with family last week that we should all switch to Signal. All I want is a decent E2EE messaging app. Between this and their upcoming crypto payment system, I’m thinking I made a huge mistake switching from Telegram.

What speaks against riot+matrix?

Matrix[1] is fantasising and WhatsApp/Telegram are reality.

Signal is somewhere in the middle trying to be something that solves nobody’s messaging problem except a small set of people (journalists, whistleblowers?) where the communication is mostly like “A needs to discreetly communicate with B and they both can use Signal”, anything other than that it’s pretty useless (yes, I’ve tried it for really long and convinced many others to try it).

1. Especially all the clients. And not again Fluffy chat please. Name alone puts off most.

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by jimkleiber »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #134
jimkleiber wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, spreading too thin. Yes, I think that's a possibility. I also think not developing certain features can make one lose relevance. It's a trade off, no? I guess it just depends on someone's definition of a feature being "useless" and "irrelevant." Someone else sees live location as a necessary feature, I've never used it. Whereas I use statuses on WhatsApp almost every day.

Yup. Social media is constantly searching for the perfect product by trying out ridiculous but interesting combinations of technologies. Something works, we try out different stuff and hope to make progress. But where is progress taking us? Should we follow it blindly?

But how to know whether it makes progress or not?

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by mlok »

i5heu wrote: post #19
vanilla_nut wrote: post #17

God fucking dammit. I literally just put my reputation on the line with family last week that we should all switch to Signal. All I want is a decent E2EE messaging app. Between this and their upcoming crypto payment system, I’m thinking I made a huge mistake switching from Telegram.

What speaks against riot+matrix?

Related : I converted some friends to Element+Matrix. Then some unbearable bug showed up in Element UI and we had to move away immediately (I reported the bug to the Element project, and a year after the correction is still in progress) so I moved us to the next best solution : Signal. It works really fine. (although a pain not offering conveniences like : easy chat backups, and difficulty to move your conversations to a new phone and stuffs like that...)

I can't wait for the Matrix ecosystem to be mature enough !

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by mlok »

newscracker wrote: post #27

The development of Signal, sorry to put it harshly, seems to suffer from a split brained syndrome. On one hand they’ll focus on adding stickers, stories and other trivial features to help appeal to a broader user base, but on the other hand they’ll refuse to implement basic and important features that people need in a chat app, like chat backups (there is no backup option for iOS, only a device to device transfer…so…

The first thing to do is install Signal on one or more devices and have them sync. When it is on your computer you don't loose your conversations if your phone breaks.

But I agree : no easy backup in Signal is a major pain !

From the Electron based computer version of Signal you can use some js and backup conversations though. (No "restore" option though)

Re: Stories Are Coming to Signal

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

jimkleiber wrote: post #137
hypertele-Xii wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Social media is constantly searching for the perfect product by trying out ridiculous but interesting combinations of technologies. Something works, we try out different stuff and hope to make progress. But where is progress taking us? Should we follow it blindly?

But how to know whether it makes progress or not?

Exactly. Maybe it's all just a very clever proof of waste. Advertizement industry certainly looks like a cancer on collective conscioussness. Maybe art can supplant it. Extravagant displays of nothing in particular.
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