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I'm in this boat. I'm worried I now have a life long disability before 35. I'm waiting for an appointment with a Rheumatology consultant and I have been told by my doctor they have been inundated with people with post COVID vaccine side effects. Edit: I would like to hear other people's experiences if they are willing to post them.
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Yes, that’s my doubt as well. Until we have more unbiased studies coming out, we can’t determine the impact of these side effects. The problem with pro-vaccine propaganda is that it tells you to blindly listen to the science. The problem with that is “the science” is controlled by commercial interests and profit margins. It’s like telling everyone democracy is the One True Way and we end up in last-stage capitalism.
Well - I’m not sure I have doubts but I remain open to the possibility. As a doctor and public health advocate I think the vaccines are miracles and have saved already millions of lives. Our society is already fundamentally changed by the damage wrought by the virus. There are over 140,000 ORPHANS that have been created by COVID in the last 2 years in the US alone [0]. The vaccine is safe and effective, if unfortunat…
Both the mRNA and the Adenovirus-based vaccines are novel and their long-term effects have not been studied. There is simply no scientific evidence that these vaccines are safe.
The benefits of administering these vaccines to vulnerable groups may outweigh the risks. But doing so for groups with little risks from Covid or even children where much less data is available is very questionable.
Anyone that's worried about autoimmune phenomena after vaccination should look at autoimmune phenomena post Covid infection
Maybe the people affected would have got the same autoimmune reaction from both vaccination and infection. For me, the post-viral symptoms have been a lot worse than the virus itself.
So I guess my point is, what percentage of the population is like my case and will eventually get an autoimmune issue from a viral infection? Omicron looks like it’s be eventually going to infect everyone, so avoiding the vaccine for a one in a million autoimmune reaction might be delaying the inevitable when you get infected by Omicron for real.
Don’t forget the placebo effect works both ways. All the antivax people that got the vaccine even though they may not have wanted to, are going attribute everything weird that then happens to the vaccine. This is all going to take years to sort out and figure out what’s real and what’s not. And we’ll never know 100%. The bigger issue is whether we’ll be able to trust our present or future leaders to let science do it…
This is usually sorted out before mass vaccination. We rolled out completely novel technologies and skipped the medium and long term safety steps.
If these negative outcomes turn out to be true, there will be no going back from this. The future of mRNA will be circling the drain, and vaccination in general may go down with it. Distrust in science and government will soar and it may take decades to fix.
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My MIL has rheumatoid arthritis which came on suddenly last year out of nowhere. It’s always in the back of your head that perhaps it has some link to the vaccination but I’m withholding judgment until proper statistics are available. She was a ( daily ) smoker but has given up since the diagnosis. Note that everyone in both families are vaccinated, boosted etc and it has not changed her opinion on vaccination.
Rheumatoid arthritis among older female smokers is very common
is anyone able to explain this in plain english please ?
I'm not an immunologist, but skimming through this it seems to describe patient cases who developed auto-immune disorders after - not necessarily because of - a mRNA covide vaccine, and describes possible causal chains in the immune system. Since these cases emerged within a month, it seems to describe extremely rare side-effects rather than anything widespread but as of now yet unknown.
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> The problem with that is “the science” is controlled by commercial interests and profit margins. Is it? A good proportion of academia is funded by states, non-profits, and tuition from undergraduate students, and researchers generally operate with a great degree of autonomy. Of course there is corrupt research out there, but I see little evidence that it's pervasive.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to live in 2022 and argue that academia isn’t influenced by capitalistic interests. This is so backwards of a viewpoint that I don’t have the time to argue further.
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I'm just an anecdote, but I've had COVID. It was less than a bad case of the flu. To pretend that it affects everyone equally and that they're all the worst thing ever is malpractice. Risk communication should always have been striated by age/comorbidity and let people make decisions from there.
I'm a very similar anecdote. Yes, covid sucked, but it was a mild 48hr illness in my experience. (And in the experience of dozens of my friends.) It's quite incredible that the GP can complain on the one hand about "the pure bullshit peddled by fear mongers" and then — without apparently recognising the irony — goes on to peddle fear themselves.
Unfortunately that's not the case for hundreds of thousands of your compatriots and millions of your fellow humans.
Conflating fear mongering around vaccines with very few cases of serious side effects (none of which are contagious) with "fear mongering" around the virus itself which has caused literally millions of deaths and untold post-infection issues for millions more is what's really quite incredible.
Don’t forget the placebo effect works both ways. All the antivax people that got the vaccine even though they may not have wanted to, are going attribute everything weird that then happens to the vaccine. This is all going to take years to sort out and figure out what’s real and what’s not. And we’ll never know 100%. The bigger issue is whether we’ll be able to trust our present or future leaders to let science do it…
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