(Just my personal, anecdotal experience - I have strong family history of depression and anxiety on both sides of my family and it's something that's afflicted me since I was a teenager.) I will be extremely hesitant to take antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications ever again after my last experience with them. For me, the medications helped by tempering all of my feelings - I no longer felt sad or anxious, inste…
As a contra-point to this (I feel like these sorts of threads bring out everybody who ever had negative experiences with xyz drug and that can be very harmful to those with mood disorders): The only reason I'm still alive is due to SSRIs, they have definitely taken away some of the highs of life but they also took away the incessant thoughts of suicide. They have side effects. They suck and the idea of being physical…
Serotonin selectively influences moral judgment and behavior
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#42(Just my personal, anecdotal experience - I have strong family history of depression and anxiety on both sides of my family and it's something that's afflicted me since I was a teenager.) I will be extremely hesitant to take antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications ever again after my last experience with them. For me, the medications helped by tempering all of my feelings - I no longer felt sad or anxious, inste…
Have you tried any supplements? SSRIs aren’t the only promising solution.
> SSRIs aren’t the only promising solution.
I don't think it's very helpful to vaguely bring up "supplements" like that. There are so many, and they range from being harmful, to being placebos, to being actually helpful. Plus there's a huge amount of utter quackery around them.
Do you have any specific "promising" ones in mind?
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is value to medications that inhibit or regulate serotonin, and every individual's experience will be slightly different based on their genetics and the circumstances of their life. Not just slightly different. It can be extremely variable from person to person. It’s well-known in medical research and clinical practice that medications likes SSRIs range from helpful to neutral to net negatives depending on th…
> Not just slightly different. It can be extremely variable from person to person. Not just SSRIs. I had a very bad experience with Mucinex D (or DM?) about 12 years ago, the first time I tried it. I can only imagine it was what clinical depression is like. For two days (until I stopped taking because I was so scared) I lost all interest in my life. I wasn't interested in my young children, ow my wife, or watching an…
[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan see section on dependence and withdrawal
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same situation as you. SSRIs seemed mostly ineffective, or sometimes had crazy side effects (will never forget Effexor-induced zaps despite tapering off following the directions to the letter). Bupropion has been fantastic for me since I started and I wished I'd found it 20 years ago.
That’s great! Bupropion caused a psychotic episode for me maybe ten years ago. Most terrifying day of my life, when the razor blades were calling out to me telling me to cut myself. To be clear, I’ve never had anything like that happen before or since. My daughter spent 9 months in the NICU and got genetic testing for various drugs, with 1 being the baseline expected (I’m going off memory here) and 9 or 10 being “wtf…
I've never heard of that. Why would they be testing an infant for their reaction to an antidepressant drug? Just curious.
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#45(Just my personal, anecdotal experience - I have strong family history of depression and anxiety on both sides of my family and it's something that's afflicted me since I was a teenager.) I will be extremely hesitant to take antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications ever again after my last experience with them. For me, the medications helped by tempering all of my feelings - I no longer felt sad or anxious, inste…
It's like zero thought has been put into quality of life by practitioners, so long as their metrics are met
E.g. "x, y, z attributes on the ABC scale went down. Looks like you're in remission!"
"But doctor, my dick doesn't work, I've gained 40lbs, and everything feels flat."
"We can prescribe a stimulant for appetite suppression, a vasodilator for the libido... but the 'flat' is all in your head. I'm going to write you a recommendation to a psychologist so they can talk to you about it."
Absolute ninnies.
I understand what you mean about engaging in out-of-personality behaviors, lack of moral code, and the nausea and panic that accompanies the memories of "who you were" on a certain medication (they do go away, with time. And they lose their emotional impact once you accept that it was due to medication, and rationalize it away). They warn you that there might be personality changes, and you'll feel different, but I don't think they understand the absolute gravity of what that means. Even pharmacists go on their soapbox every time you ask for a different brand (because X brand doesn't feel the same, and the FDA has issued numerous warnings about quality control): "the only thing different about brand name medication is the marketing. They're all bio-equivalent and it's all in your head." Fuck off.
This isn't even addressing that it's likely most of the "anti-depressive" effect is placebo in SSRIs and the like. "Oh I feel very different now from this medication. That means it's strong, and effective, and I should be getting better now"; it's in the same vein as chiropractic, except with more woo-woo and theatre ("modern medicine!!!").
There are better substances that can be used off-label/aren't "copyrighted" that actually solve emotional issues by (properly) regulating neurotransmitters and genomic expression to achieve pro-humanist results, instead of soulless pro-metrics and "quantitative" results. But they're not being marketed, because the current batch of psychoactive chemicals is riding on decades of marketing and "works" (see: generates outsized profits).
In my opinion, almost all of these have been a net-negative on society. Opiates, benzos, "anti-psychotics," "anti-depressives," and the like: they're all shit.
There are better chemical (and lifestyle solutions) to these problems, but right now the medical complex has a hard-fought monopoly on health treatment; so anything that would usurp power from them is a no-no (a la "fuck pro-consumer, I'm getting mine").
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#47(Just my personal, anecdotal experience - I have strong family history of depression and anxiety on both sides of my family and it's something that's afflicted me since I was a teenager.) I will be extremely hesitant to take antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications ever again after my last experience with them. For me, the medications helped by tempering all of my feelings - I no longer felt sad or anxious, inste…
Hope I am not out of bond but I think this demonstrates why a moral code also has to be an intellectual thing and not just an instinct thing.
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#48(Just my personal, anecdotal experience - I have strong family history of depression and anxiety on both sides of my family and it's something that's afflicted me since I was a teenager.) I will be extremely hesitant to take antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications ever again after my last experience with them. For me, the medications helped by tempering all of my feelings - I no longer felt sad or anxious, inste…
Similar thoughts. I think SSRI's are the wrong direction. Acute drug experiences with therapy and behavioral modification are the future. do some molly and ketamine and have a good talk.
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#49https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Hauser#Scientific_miscond...
This article was published in 2010, he had to resign his faculty position at Harvard in 2011, and was found guilty of scientific misconduct in 2012 by the government Office of Research Integrity.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a contra-point to this (I feel like these sorts of threads bring out everybody who ever had negative experiences with xyz drug and that can be very harmful to those with mood disorders): The only reason I'm still alive is due to SSRIs, they have definitely taken away some of the highs of life but they also took away the incessant thoughts of suicide. They have side effects. They suck and the idea of being physical…
Did you try or were offered anything else before trying medications?