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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by wruza »

loceng wrote: post #390
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

It's your body getting a signal through, having to break through only with a panic level cascade, to get an unconscious understanding that the situation unfolding globally is potentially life threatening in an relatively uncontrollable way - and also perhaps observing the authoritarian control mechanisms being implemented around the world may have also lead to your mind extrapolating to that could become someone else…

I've already found the source (or more correctly the trigger) of my panic attacks and while it was in the same plane you're assuming, the rest of it doesn't really match. I'm a very "free" guy who hates dumb restrictions. These restrictions could be potentially imposed in my neighborhood, unrelated to covid situation. Once I realized that with the help of my therapist, PAs reduced substantially and later went away. I would even agree with the idea of "caging", but I usually cage myself much more successfully than any pandemic measures do. I just thought about my feelings for the last hour and my anxiety is probably/in part about the mass media hysteria rather than restrictions. Compared to e.g. 2018 the entire existence background is filled with that constant creepy infonoise.

Anyway, it was a trigger and not the reason, you may turn out to be pretty close on that.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

batch12 wrote: post #449
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #440

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I think this is misleading. It's very notable that the states where the racial gap is highest are a) not doing very well on mass vaccination b) Republican https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo... So I think it's fair to ask if these people have been denied the vaccine more than they've rejected it. Meanwhile, the stats fairly clearly show political affiliation to be a bigger factor: > According…

Where are vaccines being denied? I haven't seen this as a thing even in the reddest states.

I think you're thinking of a very literal "I'm here for my vaccine" ""No, denied due to skin color" when I'm thinking of "We should spend some money and put some collective effort in to ensure everyone has quick and easy access to the vaccine, especially the poor and the vulnerable" "No, we’ll follow the same general plan as for voting, long lines at a few awkward places where lots of black people live, lots of locations with short waits where white people live".

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by kaesar14 »

tssva wrote: post #394
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

The US doesn't have huge lockdowns.

Completely depends where you live. We absolutely did in New York for a very long time.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by [deleted] »

Krasnol wrote: post #456
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #448

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If everyone got it, destroying businesses and families for over a year in some states to postpone the inevitable was stupid.

How do/did you know it's "inevitable"? I didn't have Covid yet. At least as far as I know. I work in health IT and have been vaccinating and protecting myself according to the book. It works.

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Krasnol wrote: post #456
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #448

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If everyone got it, destroying businesses and families for over a year in some states to postpone the inevitable was stupid.

How do/did you know it's "inevitable"? I didn't have Covid yet. At least as far as I know. I work in health IT and have been vaccinating and protecting myself according to the book. It works.

Good for you, you are in a situation where you are not reliant on a small business and it’s easy to follow advisories.

There’s far more to life and jobs than that.

As for how it’s inevitable - maybe it wasn’t, but look around you. An awful lot of destruction we did for questionable benefits.

And I know that with the next pandemic, far less people are going to listen. To them, the credibility of experts has been permanently damaged.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #451
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #441

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The lockdown was a response to a completely unknown pathogen, presumably airborne, that was causing sickness globally. A “ham fisted lockdown” was completely justified to protect everyone while we figured out what was going on. I love everyone trying to play epidemiologist or public policy coordinator like they know what they’re talking about; what hubris.

Tell that to the small businesses that were destroyed because of “two weeks to slow the spread” and the families that relied on them. They passionately hate these leaders.

But do they hate them because they didnt provide government support as part of their response, or do they hate them because they think just doing nothing wouldn't have also destroyed their business when everyone got sick at the same time?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by batch12 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #462
batch12 wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are vaccines being denied? I haven't seen this as a thing even in the reddest states.

I think you're thinking of a very literal "I'm here for my vaccine" ""No, denied due to skin color" when I'm thinking of "We should spend some money and put some collective effort in to ensure everyone has quick and easy access to the vaccine, especially the poor and the vulnerable" "No, we’ll follow the same general plan as for voting, long lines at a few awkward places where lots of black people live, lots of locat…

Nope, still haven't seen this as a thing. There are still drugstores and doctors offices which have vaccines in these poor areas that give the shots for free. Not getting the shot is a deliberate choice and it's not racism that is blocking people from getting it. People of every race are smart and enabled enough to get this shot if they want it.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by math_denial »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #403
tonguez wrote: post #18

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The problem with framing this as a mental health crisis is that it implies the solution is in mental health services. Is there a mental health crisis in North Korea? No their lives are just terrible. Therapy isn’t going to help people in North Korea. Similarly the worse material conditions are in the West the more people are going to kill themselves. I think it’s about 200 a day in the US and it has been for many man…

Are you a mental health professional? Seems you're overconfident that therapy and drugs aren't the solution to mental health problems, given those are the two main treatments used by doctors who are actually experts on the matter.

>Seems you're overconfident that therapy and drugs aren't the solution to mental health problems

And seems like mental health professionals are overconfident that their methods work. And the evidence that they do is weak, especially for the talk therapy.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by sokoloff »

makomk wrote: post #376
nicoburns wrote: post #355

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I find your conflation of support for vaccines with support for lockdowns rather odd, because vaccines are the main thing that lessens the need for social restrictions! > Anti vaxx movement is dead. The vaccines are incredibly leaky, and cause pretty severe side effects especially in young men. They do not allow society to resume normality even if 100% are vaccinated ( do the math, the effect wears off so fast that i…

The current vaccines are leaky enough that any reductions in social restrictions below strict lockdown mean pretty much everyone is going to get Covid, generally over a very short time period. There doesn't seem to be any way around this. Also, the feasibility of putting lesser restrictions in place to try and spread the hospital load out is damaged by the fact that protection from vaccination fades relatively quickl…

“Pretty much everyone is going to get COVID” is how I feel as well, just like pretty much everyone is going to get the flu across any given 50 year span. Some will die from it, most will not. (C19 is obviously worse than a typical flu, but by less than a decimal order of magnitude.)

Then the interesting question is what to do about it. You can give up a lot of life’s freedoms and enjoyment to maybe cut that 50-year risk in half. Is that worth it? To my reckoning: Not to me, not to my elderly parents, and not to my kids. I’m thankful that my kids are at least pre-teen and not (yet) teen or college age where our choices are hitting much harder.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #466
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the small businesses that were destroyed because of “two weeks to slow the spread” and the families that relied on them. They passionately hate these leaders.

But do they hate them because they didnt provide government support as part of their response, or do they hate them because they think just doing nothing wouldn't have also destroyed their business when everyone got sick at the same time?

They hate them for inflating the currency, giving everyone stimulus and so many benefits it’s hard to hire, for forcing their businesses to shut down for months and have 50% of small restaurants go insolvent for “two weeks to slow the spread,” for forcing people to work from home suddenly and the productivity damages and delays initially caused…

There’s plenty to hate and more.

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