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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by floatingatoll »

llimos wrote: post #622
cipheredStones wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's minutiae to be concerned when someone who just tested positive for covid is talking to you with their mask down?

Yes, because for schoolkids, Omicron is literally a cold, if that. The other variants, call it a bad cold. The only reason to stop them catching it is to stop them spreading it. Had someone three years ago been that concerned about someone with a cold, yes, that would be minutiae.

There are many cultures that strongly value parents, elders and extended family, and Covid is 'a cold' that could kill random loved ones in their extended family, such as their favorite grandmother or their aunt's best friend. For a teenager, being the vector of infection that leads to such a death would result in critical emotional trauma and lead to a much higher risk of suicide — a fact they are well aware of, given the significant uptick in suicides within their age group since Covid began.

They may be teenagers, but they're not wrong to attend to the minutiae; whether for selfish or for social reasons, that awareness may be all that is keeping them and their loved ones alive. It is cruel and unjust and wrong that they alone are attending to the minutiae of masking, but here in the United States our social support systems often require them to bear that responsibility, as the adults responsible for them often do not.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by astrange »

oezi wrote: post #359
bally0241 wrote: post #221

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I just got it along with family (both vaxxed and unvaxxed, there was no noticeable difference in symptoms). It was somewhere between a 'common cold' and the flu. Not fun, but definitely not something to panic about (understandably everyone will have a different reaction depending on their current state of health). However, I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns on any sort of intervention (they've all…

Most of what you say is just plain wrong. - Masking is highly effective and just a bit inconvenient. - Lockdowns are extremely effective just very expensive. - Vaccines are very effective even against transmission. - Nobody is aiming for 0 Covid anymore (except some Australians and China I guess), but getting through the winter wave without too many fellow citizens dead should be something we spend some effort on. Co…

"Lockdowns" delay spread - well, actually they just force essential workers to get sick first - but what's the point of delaying it? You'll just get it once you open up again. (Somewhat good right now because we're waiting for more antivirals/clearing out winter flu cases, but still not worth the cost.)

China is still trying it but I expect that to fail in a few weeks. Australia has given up on it.

The real question is why Japan is yet again not having a breakout.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by paul7986 »

astrange wrote: post #638
paul7986 wrote: post #602

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Just getting downvoted yet no one is saying why!?!

You type like a grandparent texting. Why so many ellipses?

lol your not responding to what I was asking just being a troll

The world needs to come down on China's govt or it's just going to get worse for every country that isnt them!

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by astrange »

lvl100 wrote: post #508
discardedrefuse wrote: post #423

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These kids have been getting robbed of a proper education since well before the pandemic arrived. Holding them back a year is just going to create a generation of delayed adults that will ripple through the economy in ways we can't even imagine. But lets try: Shifting average graduation age to 18-19 * Drop out rate: TO THE MOON! * Shit pay "high school" jobs no one wants: Now for adults! * Wages don't just stagnate b…

Grades are arbitrary. Plenty of kids start a year late sometimes on purpose by parents to give them a leg up. Particularly for grades 8-12, in school education is vital. You seem very concerned about the economy.

"The economy" is whatever anyone does for work; it's right to be concerned about it. It doesn't mean "stock market numbers" - although retirees sure care about those.

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Post by astrange »

csense wrote: post #607

Contrarian viewpoint: Everyone's eventually gonna catch COVID-19 and it can't be stopped. All the travel restrictions, testing, school closures, quarantines, vaccine mandates, etc. are accomplishing is imposing costs and creating chaos. People will be hospitalized. People will die. Hospitals will be overwhelmed. It's unavoidable at this point, but no politician or policy maker has the courage to admit that. COVID mig…

> COVID might have been containable with massive travel restrictions, testing, and contact tracing in the first couple months of 2020. Between the testing screwups, the factually challenged political posture adopted by a certain former POTUS in the early days of the pandemic, the WHO's general incompetence, China's questionable actions, the disease's ease of transmission, and the delay in travel restrictions, that scenario is long gone.

No, it would not have been possible. The simple fact that animals can catch it prevents that.

> I justified that decision by reasoning that long-term side effects are unlikely as the MRNA, adjuvants, or other weird leftovers will wash out of the body within months.

Vaccines don't have long-term side effects. They have side effects, but it's immediate or nothing.

It's also quite likely the 3rd shot is not a "booster", and skipping the 2nd shot in the series would be effective too. i.e. the actual problem is the first two shots were too close together.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by astrange »

Kye wrote: post #122
ajross wrote: post #71

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> IMHO, reopening schools is more important for the nation than Uh... schools are open. No one has closed schools in this nation. The debate here is whether or not having open schools this month, during the omicron wave, is helping or hurting. The evidence in the linked article is that schools in NYC have organizationally broken down and that no meaningful education is happening anyway. Because it's very difficult to…

Hospitalization and death lags infection by quite a while.

You can look at the South Africa data which is "quite a while" old. NYC and SF data is already more than good enough to draw conclusions from though.

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Post by astrange »

ajross wrote: post #150
Kye wrote: post #122

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Hospitalization and death lags infection by quite a while.

Death rate peaks happen about three weeks after case load peaks. This has been very consistent through the pandemic (at least everywhere that has good test reporting), you can play with graphs at https://91-divoc.com/ or elsewhere to see the effect. Certainly if omicron had the same behavior as previous variants, we'd know by now. Continued worries aren't about severity lag, but about whether or not there's something…

Well "herd immunity" isn't really possible for respiratory diseases because our immunity wanes too fast. If we had "herd immunity" against cold/flu you wouldn't get it every year.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by Daishiman »

blindmute wrote: post #620

It is what it is. People will get sick in school like they always have with colds and flus. The students (who are essentially at zero risk) are going to have to get over this fear eventually; we can only hope their young minds haven't been permanently warped by two years of fear mongering. The teachers should get vaccinated and ensure they aren't obese.

And they should ensure they're not diabetic, above 60, and just be perfectly healthy, right?

"It is what it is" but as of now staff can't work because they're out sick.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

unabirra wrote: post #278
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25

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I'm not afraid. I am triple-vaxxed not for myself but out of solidarity for those around me. I am simply at the end of my patience with people going to protests clogging my city and creating politicians using the greenpass and constant checks and testing to create a divide. mandatory vaccination will get rid of surveillance solutions like the Greenpass while also protecting everyone. there can still be an exemption i…

Got it, so you want to get people submitted into a procedure they don't want, while at the same time claiming you are "triple-vaxxed not for myself but out of solidarity for those around me". Why pretend you care about anyone? just say, hey I want everyone to do this so I feel safer.

> so you want to get people submitted into a procedure they don't want

yes. peoples freedom stop where other peoples health begins. co-morbidity can not be solved but getting people vaccinated can. even it means it's "against their will", even they shout "fOrCeD mediCaL prOceDuRe". I don't care if it hurts their fragile egos and means they have to tone down the individualism. Either have a doctors exemption, pay a fine, or go to jail (condition upon entry into prison is mandatory vaccination). Boom. Problem solved.

> just say, hey I want everyone to do this so I feel safer.

it's not about me but the people around me. some of them I've already lost. I'm healthy enough not to care. I eat well and have done sports all my life. I survived several tropical diseases. I also lived my life to the fullest. So idgaf. The only thing I care about is people around me getting hurt that I love (my family, my kids, my friends). And don't worry they're some deluded anti-vaxxers among them. They can only be helped by force at this stage.

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Post by Daishiman »

valachio wrote: post #625
csense wrote: post #607

Contrarian viewpoint: Everyone's eventually gonna catch COVID-19 and it can't be stopped. All the travel restrictions, testing, school closures, quarantines, vaccine mandates, etc. are accomplishing is imposing costs and creating chaos. People will be hospitalized. People will die. Hospitals will be overwhelmed. It's unavoidable at this point, but no politician or policy maker has the courage to admit that. COVID mig…

Yeah what you said is pretty much it. And not only will everyone catch COVID at some point, but they will catch it many times over the course of their lives as the virus mutates; you'll get sick but it won't kill you (unless you are really unlucky). Sounds similar... oh right, just like the flu. Imagine if you stepped on a nail. Guess what, it's gonna be painful no matter what you do. It's better to pull the nail out…

40 hospitals in the state of New York had to suspend elective surgeries due to COVID. The flu wasn't doing that. Flights are getting canceled like never before due to staff shortages. Restaurants in my home town are opening on half of the shifts due to COVID.

So, no, nothing similar. Stop pretending it is.

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