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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

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> Medication CAN lead to a much better quality of life for many people.

Yes, it can. But if the underlying issue is that society and social structures are fucked up, and that's what's making people depressed, then a proper cure has to involve fixing society.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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If HN turns into the thought police when it comes to COVID, that would be a very bad sign for this site. Don't you understand where all of the animosity from so many people comes from? It comes out of disdain for people like you, who suggest that other opinions and interpretations of statistics are wrongthink and that wrongthink must be punished.

In this case though a user has tried to link something as obvious as "hospitals don't know on admission that you have covid, they just know you're sick" to try to claim that there's some conspiracy. It's a clear attempt at misinformation and should not be tolerated.

Huh?

These people went to the hospital and were admitted for X. X being any number of medical conditions requiring hospitalization. You can be admitted for the reason “person is sick”, you need some diagnosis or complaint, however vague

They later tested positive for Covid.

How is that misinformation?

If people come to the hospital with complaints of fever or breathing difficulties, they can do a covid test prior to admission to determine if they are positive.

I’d say it’s misinformation to claim those people were hospitalized because of covid, which is what the original reporting suggested.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

More pontification and intellectualization of matters that people have no first-hand experience of, as is HN's wont.

As someone with over 20 years of mental health issues who refused medication for exactly the same reasons - "sucking it up," trying to address root causes, meditation, spirituality, exercise...

... none of it worked. You could easily spend a lifetime trying to "root cause" the source of your malady and return empty handed, as I have. When the bills need to get paid, and your options are psychological collapse or some chemical attenuation of your mental state, I think the choice is clear.

I agree that it's sort of twisted that modern society is structured such that we need to constantly medicate ourselves to cope with day to day existence.

Alas.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I find it offensive when I see people assume that the only reason anybody takes psychoactive medication is to deceive themselves. I know people whose lives are much better on medication (and who see the world much more accurately than without it), I know people whose lives are worse. Are you so confident that you can decide for everybody else which group they fall into? The world and the people in it don’t exist to m…

And where did I say that everyone is like this? Christ, people. You aren't necessary everywhere with your "actually" stuff. Chill. I'm sharing what I observe and what I find disturbing. You can just ignore it.

> I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything.

“at all help with anything” sounds pretty absolute to my ears, as does the wording in basically every other sentence in what you said, but I’m glad to be mistaken. Though I note the person you responded to barely mentioned medication, and you seemed to find it necessary to denounce it in the strongest terms in a reply…

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Sure, they can be a good temporary crutch, I can see that. But are they addressing the root causes?

Think of it like any other type of medicine. I have blood pressure issues. I try to eat right, and exercise. I have my whole life. I practice meditation and slowing down and generally feel fairly stress free as well. I do this to address the “root” cause as you would put it. Unfortunately in this area I also need a little help from modern science, so I’m glad I have access to it.

I think of it exactly like you said. Apparently my root comment was worded in a way that people thought I'm sitting on an extreme. I really am not though.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Urban centers used to have kids congregating in non-purpose built places all the time, before that was all stratified away. That's precisely what GP was saying I think. #2 wasn't about suppressing the virus to zero (true, no place succeeded at, not even China), it as about avoiding long stretches of strong countermeasures by applying lighter countermeasures earlier. They still required some escalation for maybe a few…

I understand what you are claiming, but it's a narrative not based on what actually happened. The places that locked down earlier stayed locked down, and the places that locked down later re-opened earlier. No state stayed locked down to "dig themselves out of a hole"; that's not how any of the waves played out.

Whole countries locked down earlier, cutting the waves and death count to negligible numbers. They opened up in summer 2020, but later closed early again.

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> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? What will my mother's friend's family do after their father, husband and sole provider died within 10 minutes of taking the vaccine, right there on the spot, on the vaccine queue? (Answer: the family almost got evicted by the way. And lived in poverty for 7-8 months before recovering.) Where do we draw the line,…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city. However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable. Yeah I spent a little too much time on the compute…

The issue is that it's too easy to forgo all of that and scroll through tiktok for 12+ hours a day, per day (school days included). I'm not exaggerating with that number, either. When you literally have nothing else to do, you'll find something enriching to do. But when there's an easy, lazy outlet, kids will go to that. We literally cannot say the same about kids a few decades ago, either. No one spent every waking…

> The issue is that it's too easy to forgo all of that and scroll through tiktok for 12+ hours a day

That's because social media is deliberately designed to be addictive. Zuckerberg et al know this, but don't care, because all they care about is their proftis.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

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