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What is the small web? (2020)

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Post by Nextgrid »

chubot wrote: post #120
indigodaddy wrote: post #54

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Nope, most shared hosting is still like the OP comment’s description. Then of course you have companies like Cloudflare and Netlify where their shared static hosting is not the traditional lamp/cpanel stuff, and certainly have internally developed platforms/serving technologies where security and sandboxing is very likely top of mind. Companies of Cloudflare and Netlify ilk are the exception, but most cheapo shared h…

See this comment, it's probably only mod_php, which you don't need for serving static sites: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29804968 I've used 3 shared hosting providers, all of which provide SSH access. And when I ssh in, and type "ps", I see my own processes, not the processes of anybody else. They are running as a different user.

You can have unique SSH users and still have all the PHP code run under a shared user on the web server. The machine you SSH in is most likely not the same as the one running your PHP code even.

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Post by brightstep »

betwixthewires wrote: post #116
brightstep wrote: post #94

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Please explain to me the path from individuals hosting their own Small Web apps to the mitigation of Amazon's power and prevalence in our lives. It's nice that you are off fb, I am too. But some number of individuals deciding not to use the platform does nothing when it is the way most people access the internet. People don't like this example because of its stereotypical user base, but remember what happened to parl…

If I don't use amazon, they have no power over me. They're background noise, like sally beauty salon. And consequently, the less people that use them the less power they have. It's easy to forget that their power isn't immutable, we give it to them.

That's idealistic thinking. Amazon does have power over people that don't use it. It influences national, state and local governments. Where it decides to open a distribution center has a huge impact on communities. It controls AWS, which is essentially the interstate highway system of the internet. You might not perceive the effects, but that doesn't mean it has no power over you. With Amazon the logistics and e-commerce juggernaut it is, there's really no meaningful alternative, and saying "just don't use it" is not very helpful.

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Post by bullen »

anderspitman wrote: post #111
bullen wrote: post #109

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HTTPS is a waste of electricity.

That's a hot take. Do you never do anything on the web which you don't want your ISP to have full access to? That said, I agree HTTPS is too complicated to set up, even with ACME/LetsEncrypt. I wish you could just set up your own certificate with the public key in your DNS records. But that requires DNSSEC/DoH or similar.

Most ISPs in Sweden have root certificates.

I use this for security: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2289

Trying to avoid MitM attacks from your ISPs is really an exercise i futility, and a really expensive one at that, both energy and timevise.

HTTP, DNS and SMTP are the only protocols you need.

Small web uses small protocols, big web uses big protocols.

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Post by ThinkBeat »

qnsi wrote: post #114
ThinkBeat wrote: post #92

In my opinion "The Small Web" should be "Microsoft Frontpage"ish" paired with one button publishes. Should give the user the option of hosting it with a wide variety of vendors from shared hosting, something like Netlify, and several like GeoCities. or for advanced users self-publish on a computer they have. To make it easy for the common person to post what they want on the web. Involving Javascript, Hugo, an abstra…

hey ThinkBeat, sorry to hijack a comment. You posted a Ask HN: thread [0] Ask HN: Are there any web/text scrapers that work with Facebook Groups? did u found something working? Or did you drop your search. I am interested in scraping private FB groups [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28095801

Hey,

No, I have not found anything that I would dare to try.

There is a (in my opinion) shady set of "scraper providers" who for some $$$ (how much and by what matrix differs a lot). That claim to do this for you.

Firstly, I dont really trust them to begin with. Second since this a breach of Facebook TOS going with a known provider seems scary and I would prefer to set my own request repeat speed.

More importantly usually their main "top" feature is to scrape out all contact information in a group for "marketing" opportunities.

So I decided against all those.

I am still looking. I have not given up. My need for this is actually increasing.

I tried doing it by hand but I could not stand it.

I have tried some Macro recorders of various types but not found one that really understands what I want to do. The structure of Facebooks pages are (on purpose?) hard to explain to such a tool.

I keep looking around various scraping frameworks for Go, C# and Python. I have not yet been able to create a program / script that is good enough.

It seems so bloody easy when you sit there,with Facebook in a browser you scroll, cut paste, scroll. annoying.

To be clear, I want the content of the post I am an admin for. Other admins and some users are worried that many years worth of great discourse can be lost at a blink of a Facebook eye. So I am trying to find a "backup" solution really.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

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Post by hammyhavoc »

chrismorgan wrote: post #76

The *.small-web.com thing rubs me the wrong way, going entirely against the stated purpose: https://you.small-web.com is only a little better than https://mega.corp/you , because you still don’t own your home. You do probably have more control of what goes there, but you’re still far too liable to be cut off with no recourse. You don’t actually control it. Just wait until people start hosting malware on small-web.com…

Exactly. Centralization. Single point of failure. Absurd.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

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Post by tompazourek »

rootsudo wrote: post #62
chubot wrote: post #37

I generally agree with this article, but ... Small Web applications and sites are single tenant. That means that one server hosts one application that serves just one person: you. I feel like people forgot that shared hosting exists (e.g. Dreamhost, or Nearly Free Speech). One computer can serve tons of websites! It can serve multiple Hacker News spikes at once. And the site doesn't even need to be in a virtual machi…

Many people forgot about lamp stacks, or it really entered the wayside. Then again people push/deploy LEMUR stacks now. https://www.nginx.com/blog/introducing-the-lemur-stack-and-a... But agree on people not knowing shell, even cloud shell on azure/aws - people like to touch things and really enjoy the UI for setting up networking rules, load balancers and more. Still so much fun, cgi - php and apache in general, the…

The LEMUR article you linked says:

> This blog post was published on April 1. That’s a huge hint ;-)

Not sure what to think about this...

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