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What is the small web? (2020)

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Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#91

The *.small-web.com thing rubs me the wrong way, going entirely against the stated purpose: https://you.small-web.com is only a little better than https://mega.corp/you , because you still don’t own your home. You do probably have more control of what goes there, but you’re still far too liable to be cut off with no recourse. You don’t actually control it. Just wait until people start hosting malware on small-web.com…

This. I've been playing around with the same concepts, and owning your own domain is critical. However, doing the domain registration dance is tricky for newbies. And, of course, it costs money. When presented with the choice between a Facebook Page (for free, immediate audience, etc) and a domain + website (costs money, no SEO, etc) it's very hard to persuade anyone that they should do this. Of course, we all unders…

> Maybe *.small-web.com is an intermediate step that is useful.

I pondered this before first posting, and decided that although I’m sympathetic to the reasoning I believe it’s a grave error of judgement, and that they should force people to use their own domains. Not only does it undermine their stated goals, but it makes them as a company or foundation more likely to fail since providing a domain will lead to significant abuse of their service if they offer any free service at all, including trial periods. (Newcomers to these sorts of industries tend to be surprised at how all-pervasive and varied abuse is, even of small players.) Requiring that people provide a domain would certainly turn away some potential customers/users that would perhaps have finished the job and moved to a domain of their own later, but it would also vastly reduce the burden of abuse.

And so I decided to use the word “must”, italicised, for practical reasons as well as ideological.

In their first phase, they’re even targeting tech-savvy people, who are less likely to “need” *.small-web.com.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#92
In my opinion "The Small Web" should be "Microsoft Frontpage"ish" paired with one button publishes.

Should give the user the option of hosting it with a wide variety of vendors from shared hosting, something like Netlify, and several like GeoCities. or for advanced users self-publish on a computer they have.

To make it easy for the common person to post what they want on the web.

Involving Javascript, Hugo, an abstraction on Hugo, a database, JavaScript frameworks is just yet another tech stack accessible only to full stack or front-end programmers. (or whoever has the necessary skills.

These people should already have all the information and ability to make their own website and host it wherever they want. They do not require help to solve it.

I would like to see a user-friendly desktop app Like Frontpage was a long time ago. Let people type lika a Wordprocessor, add colors, images, blinking, tables, visitor count, guest books and so on. some other things, press button, its up. Tomorrow write a bit press button, its up.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#93
5% of users (People) are creators .. 95% want to mindless scroll Instagram/tiktoc. Not sure why people would want to own their own web (Or understand that they don't own their Instagram) and why that would solve anything.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#94

No. No no no no no. This is not the solution to the problems we’re facing. While it’s nice to push people to run their own hardware and software, it does nothing to solve the problem of large corporations having large amounts of control and power with little regulation oversight. We like to do this thing in tech where we try to solve all of our problems with engineering and software. What we’re encountering now is no…

But there are technical ways this can be solved. Don't use their services is one. I've got a lot of problems but you know what problems I don't have? Being censored and tracked by facebook and google. It really is very much an individual problem with individual solutions, though some may not like that fact because individual solutions don't accomplish their goals, it is still a fact.

Please explain to me the path from individuals hosting their own Small Web apps to the mitigation of Amazon's power and prevalence in our lives. It's nice that you are off fb, I am too. But some number of individuals deciding not to use the platform does nothing when it is the way most people access the internet. People don't like this example because of its stereotypical user base, but remember what happened to parlor? That's what FAANG does, and will do, to individual small competitors unless their power is challenged in the political and economic arena.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#95
I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days.

Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while you are at it; decentralization!), and then we're talking.

Make it 100% transparent, automatic, fault-proof and as speedy as you can so that the regular Joe and Jane can just install it at home because they heard it's a router and a home server in one and it's costing less than other similar solutions. Tell them it can stream from YouTube and 10 other apps.

Make the regular people tempted to buy it! Only THEN will the "small web" or any such adjacent sentiments take off. Ain't ever happening before that.

Enough with the "raising awareness" stuff, seriously. We on HN / Lobsters and a lot of people on Reddit are quite "aware" already. We get it. But 99% of us have families to feed and seriously can't squeeze the effort unless we're willing to forfeit the precious 5-10% free time a time a day that we get as busy adults.

Make something that will bring the regular people on board. Before that you are just a small fly in an airplane hangar trying to buzz and make a difference.

Ain't happening, dude. Roll up your sleeves and start inventing the future. If you have the time to craft such an article then you likely have the time to start working on the practical aspect as well.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#96
post #88

> The Big Web has “users” – a term Silicon Valley has borrowed from drug dealers to describe the people they addict to their services and exploit This statement makes me not want to read the rest of the article. Pulled out of the air and stated as fact. The term users was around long before big tech.

I am pretty sure that this sentence is an attempt at deadpan humor.

Right, could be

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#97

I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days. Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while yo…

Nothing starts as a mass adoption product.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine that the process level is an issue here – we're not talking military, do we? Other than that, prefer zero-knowledge designs and you can often reduce to the danger of vandalism. Have a friendly hoster and/or backups for that case.

While not military, most websites handle some kind of personal data (even IP addresses count as such for GDPR purposes) and a large chunk of the world has regulations that impose penalties or at the very least requires disclosure (bad PR) for data breaches. Considering how easy and relatively cheap it is to get your own dedicated bare-metal server, I don't see any reason to bother with shared hosting anymore.

do as you please, but none of my family could responsibly maintain a dedicated server.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#99

I am definitely getting old because such idealism only ticks me off these days. Make a hardware box that serves as a router, switch AND a home server, sell it at competitive prices, have it preloaded with a hardened Linux containing everything needed (including NAS, VPN, home media organizers and whatnot), make it automatically discover other such nodes (and maybe configure lend-able bandwidth and disk space while yo…

Nothing starts as a mass adoption product.

Absolutely. I am saying that whoever wants to bring a product to the mainstream must also work super hard to make sure they are solving the right problems for the masses.

And the way to make it a mass product is to make it friendly for the regular users. I feel that a lot of HN-ers get lost in rabbit holes of uber-complex VPN setups or how do you make a Kubernetes clusters of RPi machines, or how do you 3D-print a case for that etc.

Not going to try and dictate what people should work on in their free time, obviously. I am only targeting such preachy articles and organizations. If they have the budget to market some future that they are not inventing yet then maybe they should reallocate some budget to actually inventing it as well.

Re: What is the small web? (2020)

#100
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long term you're probably right, but I think tunneling services[0] like Cloudflare tunnel or my own boringproxy are going to be what we use for the next 10 years or so. We're going to have to prove that self-hosting is useful before people start demanding ipv6, public static IPs, and decent upload speeds from their ISPs. [0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling

Tunneling increases latency. Seen that the final medium/media is a 3D action MMO we don't have time for that latency.

I have a little site that I moved behind cloudflare. The dead simple https is nice but I have a page with a gallery of 140 images and it loads so much slower than before the move. Granted I am not paying anything for the service and I don't plan to change it back so this is just an observation.
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