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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by nosuchthing »

TeeMassive wrote: post #132
nosuchthing wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long Covid is understood better now as an autoimmune disease that comes from even mild cases. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-can-trigger-s... This is in addition to worse damage that occurs throughout the body to any ACE2 cell, which are found in the brain along with the entire cardiovascular system and every other major organ in the body. Hospitalizations in children are rising this year because last…

> 105 children hospitalised with Covid on 27-Dec With Covid. Not because of Covid. Most children at hospitals with Covid are incidental cases. Also the long covid figure from children comes from self report. Given the hysteria in some children and some parents I would take this measure with a huge grain of salt. Protip: don't use emotional Twitter post as your main source of information.

What?

You clearly did not read the report that has proven autoantibodies were detected from mild covid cases associated with long covid symptoms.

How do you explain the rise in children’s hospitalizations in areas with high covid rates?

"A five-fold increase in pediatric admissions in New York City this month. Close to double the numbers admitted in Washington, DC. And nationwide, on average, pediatric hospitalizations are up 48% in just the past week."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-omicron-variant...

"An average of 672 children were being hospitalized every day in the US, as of 2 January - more than double the average just a week before. And the rate is rapidly increasing."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/05/covid-hospit...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/the-real-...

https://nypost.com/2021/12/25/new-york-dept-of-health-warns-...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/26/child-c...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by medvezhenok »

TeeMassive wrote: post #152
Shikadi wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the reaction was hysterical, the united States ranks 14 out of over 200 countries for most deaths to COVID per capita, and we don't even have high population density.

There are multiple reports that these are reported deaths with Covid, not because of Covid. And there is a big question of bias given how hospitals were financially rewarded by covid cases. Also strong lockdowns and high do not strongly correlate with hospitalizations or deaths.

Looking at excess deaths per capita (over trend) gives you a good-enough estimate of effects of COVID. Countries like New Zealand are actually below trend (negative deaths from COVID, even with similar lockdowns)

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by mercy_dude »

dagmx wrote: post #136
mercy_dude wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You conveniently miss one crucial piece of data that is already available. That is countries that had schools open for the most part of the pandemic. I have families in western Canada and except early Spring and summer of 2020, schools remained open and are still open. They didn’t have much different outcome if not better than us in US.

Canada had varied lockdowns too by province. Canada also has way lower vaccine hesitancy and lower population density. On average Canadians have fewer co-morbidities. I live in Canada so am quite aware. If we're talking about comparisons then let's not cherry pick ones without considering the whole context.

> Canada had varied level of lockdowns too by province.

Schools have been open for the most part in Ontario and Alberta since Fall 2020.

> Canada has way lower vaccine hesitancy.

New York City has 82.5% of population vaccinated, about as much as Ontario [1]. Yet schools were closed for most parents throughout the pandemic.

> On average Canadians have fewer comorbidities.

Where the hell are you getting this from? Health Canada numbers say 64% adults are overweight or obese [2].

[1] https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.p...

[2] https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/publications...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pdimitar »

dagmx wrote: post #155
pdimitar wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple. This is a non-sequitur. I ask the reverse: how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. I don't reduce the spread and I won't reduce my symptoms because I got through it 3 times without realizing and only the first time was bad (and it was before the…

You're clearly uninformed on vaccination issues and spreading FUD in the process. Trying to paint me as insensitive is a cute tactic to hide your ignorance. Vaccination helps reduce the risk of you catching the virus, spreading the virus, reduces the risk of hospitalization, reduces the risk of you taking medical resources from someone else. The risk of a "severe immune response that will cause death" is statisticall…

> Trying to paint me as insensitive is a cute tactic to hide your ignorance.

You should tone down the conspiracy theorist act and look for actual human beings with worries and a lot to lose because, you know, that's exactly what's going on.

Think what you will though.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pdimitar »

aogaili wrote: post #150
pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

The point of medication is not to always numb your brain but temporary ease the pain until you can stand on your own feet again. When life goes so wrong for some people and their brain pain signal is so high that you can't even get out of bed, those medications help. It helps them to sleep and think less until they start to think correctly. The issue today, is that people are expected to be productive all the time de…

I am not arguing with the desired outcome. But what I've seen more often than not is that people get addicted to the pills and never do stand on their own feet again.

And I agree with your second paragraph completely. I am sick of society pretending that people are "sick". They are not. They are responding naturally to an increasingly hostile world.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by nosuchthing »

nradov wrote: post #157
nosuchthing wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long Covid is understood better now as an autoimmune disease that comes from even mild cases. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-can-trigger-s... This is in addition to worse damage that occurs throughout the body to any ACE2 cell, which are found in the brain along with the entire cardiovascular system and every other major organ in the body. Hospitalizations in children are rising this year because last…

None of that is relevant or actionable. Everyone including children will be exposed regardless of what we do. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments are pretty good at preventing severe symptoms. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

Your link is an outdated opinion piece from someone who makes money from cancer self help books.

This may come as a surprise to you but contagious respiratory diseases can be prevented.

N95 masks and clean air are known actionable cost effective solutions.

https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/wiss-cheese-model...

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by jinguang »

vlovich123 wrote: post #86
qbasic_forever wrote: post #79

It would be truly fascinating to compare this increase in suicide to any changes in suicide for children in China or other countries which weathered the pandemic much better than the US. If it really is the case that harsh lockdowns create more suicides then surely China and its much more swift and drastic entire lockdowns of million person cities would generate more of them per capita, no? I suspect though that we'd…

Lock down for a short time with a reopening vs prolonged ok and off lock downs might be different. Also, China data probably isn’t trustworthy on a topic like this, right?

No post body was provided.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by kansface »

pyoeos wrote: post #98
refurb wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition . Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?

Considering how drastic the excess deaths of 2020 and 2021 are relative to previous years, I have a decent amount of faith in the number of deaths reported to be caused by covid. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Tons of people are skipping routine screening and exams. Lots of people are straight up avoiding any medical treatment out of fear of catching Covid. (including routine vaccination!). Raw numbers aren’t helpful here.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by AussieWog93 »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #14
paperwasp42 wrote: post #10

I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

You state this with a lot of confidence!

>Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day.

This wasn't a problem in the 70s and 80s. Kids would just ride their bikes everywhere.

>We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money.

Apart from playgrounds, parks, libraries, community groups, all kinds of events... I don't think we've ever had more free public services than in the 21st century.

>Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition.

This is true for processed food, but we still have less malnutrition (macro and micro) today compared to any point in the 20th century.

I think it's really easy to pick the popular talking points from one's tribe and pose them as the problem/solution in any particular situation. If the goal is to actually identify/solve the problem, though, this more often than not is ineffective.

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