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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by nradov »

dagmx wrote: post #147
nradov wrote: post #133

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Please stop spreading misinformation about a serious subject. The CDC estimated the infection fatality rate at 0.6%. There is no credible evidence of a 3% rate at the population level. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

I was estimating based on NHS numbers that showed a CFR of 1.9% for alpha and the estimates showing delta at being double the CFR. Not trying to spread misinformation, but I'm specifically talking about delta in a fully unvaccinated group in the case that everyone gets it (which is the colloquial talking point for people who say "everyone will eventually have covid" used to dismiss the precautions) EDIT: HN won't let…

Case fatality rates are completely irrelevant. Most infected patients are never tested and thus never officially counted as a "case". Everyone is aware of that now, so if you're still citing CFR numbers then you're obviously acting in bad faith.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by TeeMassive »

Shikadi wrote: post #49
spookthesunset wrote: post #36

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I don't think the reaction was hysterical, the united States ranks 14 out of over 200 countries for most deaths to COVID per capita, and we don't even have high population density.

There are multiple reports that these are reported deaths with Covid, not because of Covid. And there is a big question of bias given how hospitals were financially rewarded by covid cases. Also strong lockdowns and high do not strongly correlate with hospitalizations or deaths.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by chrissnell »

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #116
refurb wrote: post #75

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NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition . Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?

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If HN turns into the thought police when it comes to COVID, that would be a very bad sign for this site.

Don't you understand where all of the animosity from so many people comes from? It comes out of disdain for people like you, who suggest that other opinions and interpretations of statistics are wrongthink and that wrongthink must be punished.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by dagmx »

pdimitar wrote: post #131
dagmx wrote: post #122

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Simple statistics show that the risk of dying by taking the vaccine is significantly lower than the risk of dying from covid. Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple.

> Someone having the vaccine also doesn't increase the risk of someone else dying. It's pretty simple. This is a non-sequitur. I ask the reverse: how do I help society by vaccinating? Judging by the contemporary info out there -- I don't in any way or form. I don't reduce the spread and I won't reduce my symptoms because I got through it 3 times without realizing and only the first time was bad (and it was before the…

You're clearly uninformed on vaccination issues and spreading FUD in the process. Trying to paint me as insensitive is a cute tactic to hide your ignorance.

Vaccination helps reduce the risk of you catching the virus, spreading the virus, reduces the risk of hospitalization, reduces the risk of you taking medical resources from someone else.

The risk of a "severe immune response that will cause death" is statistically MUCH lower than the risk of catching and dying from covid.

Not accommodating your sealioning is the humane response.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by chrissnell »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #71
fny wrote: post #65

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Masking is fine! Prolonged shutdowns aren't. Anyone who wants to go to work should have been allowed to, others are welcome to isolate. Special times could have been reserved to allow the elderly/unhealthy/fearful to go shop and take care of themselves. (Costco senior hours?) There are a lot of options.

When has there been a prolonged shutdown? I am in one of the heights of the Covid epidemic and we only shut down once in early 2020. Schools are still in person now at the height of omicron. What’re you talking about?

Los Angeles, one of the largest school districts in the USA, where there was no in-person school for over a year.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by nradov »

nosuchthing wrote: post #93
colordrops wrote: post #60

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1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

Long Covid is understood better now as an autoimmune disease that comes from even mild cases. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-can-trigger-s... This is in addition to worse damage that occurs throughout the body to any ACE2 cell, which are found in the brain along with the entire cardiovascular system and every other major organ in the body. Hospitalizations in children are rising this year because last…

None of that is relevant or actionable. Everyone including children will be exposed regardless of what we do. Fortunately the vaccines and other treatments are pretty good at preventing severe symptoms.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

chrissnell wrote: post #154
AnotherGoodName wrote: post #116

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If HN turns into the thought police when it comes to COVID, that would be a very bad sign for this site. Don't you understand where all of the animosity from so many people comes from? It comes out of disdain for people like you, who suggest that other opinions and interpretations of statistics are wrongthink and that wrongthink must be punished.

In this case though a user has tried to link something as obvious as "hospitals don't know on admission that you have covid, they just know you're sick" to try to claim that there's some conspiracy.

It's a clear attempt at misinformation and should not be tolerated.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by medvezhenok »

nradov wrote: post #126
Shikadi wrote: post #49

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I don't think the reaction was hysterical, the united States ranks 14 out of over 200 countries for most deaths to COVID per capita, and we don't even have high population density.

Actually the US ranks 20th in per capita deaths. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

*in reported numbers. That's a massively important caveat, since many countries are not reporting properly (i.e. Russia's death toll is likely 3-5 times the reported one, and India had at least a million deaths, but the reported number is 480K)

Would be better to compare excess deaths per capita (instead of reported COVID deaths)

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Post by morsch »

dagmx wrote: post #115
fennecfoxen wrote: post #107

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> What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? Indeed. Parents should also be vaccinated. It would be reasonable to delay school until that point. (This is an additional delay over those previously mentioned in parent comments in this thread.) However, we should also expect that all parents will be exposed to the virus sooner or later, as we have been told fr…

It's not just about death though, it's about hospitalization and long term effects too. We've had multiple major variants. Also what number of orphans is acceptable? 30% of the US won't vaccinate. Delta has a mortality rate of 3+%(1) by the most charitable takes. Rough math would show that could add somewhere under 1 million orphans to the system. Do we also ignore medical costs for those who get sick? What about the…

Delta has a mortality rate of 3+% by the most charitable takes.

What's your reference for that?

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