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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

fny wrote: post #65
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we also stratify by Relation to risk, and how do we enforce this ? Also how would policies stratified by age/health work? Only unhealthy or old people need to mask when they go to the store filled with unmasked, Covid-spreading young people?

Masking is fine! Prolonged shutdowns aren't. Anyone who wants to go to work should have been allowed to, others are welcome to isolate. Special times could have been reserved to allow the elderly/unhealthy/fearful to go shop and take care of themselves. (Costco senior hours?) There are a lot of options.

When has there been a prolonged shutdown? I am in one of the heights of the Covid epidemic and we only shut down once in early 2020. Schools are still in person now at the height of omicron. What’re you talking about?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by geoduck14 »

rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

I would like to point out a subtle distinction:

There was a lot of strong pivots in education. It's just that all (most?) of them were bad ideas.

My point is, you can still innovate and adapt while finding 1000 wrong ways to do something

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Post by refurb »

Shikadi wrote: post #49
spookthesunset wrote: post #36

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I don't think the reaction was hysterical, the united States ranks 14 out of over 200 countries for most deaths to COVID per capita, and we don't even have high population density.

NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition.

Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by sodality2 »

annexrichmond wrote: post #53
cultofmetatron wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city. However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable. Yeah I spent a little too much time on the compute…

The issue is that it's too easy to forgo all of that and scroll through tiktok for 12+ hours a day, per day (school days included). I'm not exaggerating with that number, either. When you literally have nothing else to do, you'll find something enriching to do. But when there's an easy, lazy outlet, kids will go to that. We literally cannot say the same about kids a few decades ago, either. No one spent every waking moment watching Sunday cartoons or reading the paper, and reading that retort of "well we've ALWAYS done things like that" is so off-putting because it's NEVER been this extreme.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by geoduck14 »

throwawayboise wrote: post #40
rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

What were they supposed to do? They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote with no warning, in the middle of the school year. I don't care what kind of technology you have, that is going to be a clusterfuck.

>They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote

Yeah, and then they had 2 years to rethink it

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bpodgursky »

usrusr wrote: post #56
bpodgursky wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day The reason kids were stuck online all day over the past two years is not urban planning; it is because kids were not allowed to go to school or socialize. You can make claims against the base rate this way, but not against the increase over the past two years. (also, I have no reason to think that urban kids are in a be…

Kids did quite a bit of reduced quantity (in terms of heads, not hours) in-person socialising in places that #1 still have places where kids can hang out without it being some form of formal kids entertainment establishment that always ends up borderline factory farming when seen through a pandemic filter and #2 kept their infection waves in check with early quick nuanced NPI instead of waiting until only the big ham…

OK, but the urban centers were the places where playgrounds were taped off, malls were closed, coffeeshops were takeout-only and there's no other good place for kids to aggregate.

Suburban areas with yards and neighborhood playgrounds not owned by the city are were kids actually could and did socialize during the pandemic.

> #2 kept their infection waves in check with early quick nuanced NPI instead of waiting until only the big hammer could help

No place succeeded at this, other than small island nations. This is a fake narrative.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by qbasic_forever »

It would be truly fascinating to compare this increase in suicide to any changes in suicide for children in China or other countries which weathered the pandemic much better than the US. If it really is the case that harsh lockdowns create more suicides then surely China and its much more swift and drastic entire lockdowns of million person cities would generate more of them per capita, no?

I suspect though that we'd see there's not much increase or change at all for suicides in countries that handled the pandemic better than the US. People want to blame lockdowns, remote schooling or specific actions in the US when in reality the incredibly horrific response and deaths of nearly a million Americans is horrifying enough on its own.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by refurb »

annexrichmond wrote: post #53
cultofmetatron wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city. However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable. Yeah I spent a little too much time on the compute…

Similar experience. Grew up in the suburbs. Was outside every with friends.
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