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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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What do the elderly do with their money when they die?

Depends. A neighbor hated his family that he purposely caused his home to go into probate just to slow them down. Most of the time the money is passed onto the next generation. But here's the current problem: the boomers, as a generation, have a lot of assets, specifically housing, locked up as rentals. This has caused house to shoot up (though it is not the only factor). If the boomers die, I suspect that a large nu…

You can contract out the management. They will find tenants, deal with leases, collecting rent, evictions when needed, maintenance, everything. They take a good chunk of your cash flow, but that would allow you to keep the properties as an asset if you want to.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city.

However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable.

Yeah I spent a little too much time on the computer but I did have a social life and went outside a lot doing all kinds of fun.

I think you are underestimating how much fun kids can have with not very much. I agree that we have serious cultural problems but I think urban planning is the wrong culprit here.

I think at least some of it is lazy parenting who are content with just giving their kids an iPad or throwing them in front of the TV for entertainment.

You know what my sister did with her friends for “fun”? They wrote and acted out plays. This wasn’t that long ago, it was in the 90s.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Covid was a wealth transfer from the youth to the elderly

I'd say a wealth transfer from the poor to the wealthy. Inflation + restrictions has dramatically exacerbated inequality, as have the expectations we put on the working poor - leave home to deliver my food etc but don't you dare enjoy yourself. It's a coincidence that this also corresponds to transferring from young to old people.

Overall, if you have a big house, country cottages, and lots of investments, you got a lot richer in the last couple years. If you live in a small apartment and work a low skill job, you have to keep doing that, for way less pay after inflation, have to find a way to look after your kids at home, and can't go outside except to work, because "we're all in this together"

The whole episode has been a serious step back in human equality

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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What were they supposed to do? They had about two weeks to go from fully in-classroom to fully-remote with no warning, in the middle of the school year. I don't care what kind of technology you have, that is going to be a clusterfuck.

The problem was this clusterfuck lasted for far too long and public guidance was and still is a complete mess. We panicked everyone instead of having a level-headed policy where we stratified risk by age and health condition.

Should we also stratify by Relation to risk, and how do we enforce this ? Also how would policies stratified by age/health work? Only unhealthy or old people need to mask when they go to the store filled with unmasked, Covid-spreading young people?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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medication isn't going to fix that. our society is infected at every level. Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day. We don't have public spaces where you aren't expected to spend money. Our food is tainted and industrialized to have less nutrition. We spent decades digging this grave

> Urban planning is setup so you can't get anywhere without a car so kids are stuck online all day The reason kids were stuck online all day over the past two years is not urban planning; it is because kids were not allowed to go to school or socialize. You can make claims against the base rate this way, but not against the increase over the past two years. (also, I have no reason to think that urban kids are in a be…

Kids did quite a bit of reduced quantity (in terms of heads, not hours) in-person socialising in places that #1 still have places where kids can hang out without it being some form of formal kids entertainment establishment that always ends up borderline factory farming when seen through a pandemic filter and #2 kept their infection waves in check with early quick nuanced NPI instead of waiting until only the big hammer could help.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

A gross misunderstanding of viruses in January of 2022 is indistinguishable from a troll. I applaud your patience in replying so well, or even at all.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

It isn't even a matter of being able to pay for therapy or psychiatric visits. The mental health system has been overwhelmed throughout the pandemic. There simply aren't enough mental health professionals to help the overwhelming need of individuals throughout the pandemic. You could be waiting 3+ months before you can even be seen by someone, especially if on a state or low-income health insurance plan.

It was like that before the pandemic, TBH. We tried to get counseling for one of my kids for suspected depression and it was a complete shitshow. Therapists and psychologists were booked out for months and unless you were actively threatening suicide you could not get anyone to pay attention.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks.

2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no worse than other diseases and doesn't prompt a special response.

3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage of children

4. We still don't understand the flu virus.

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