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Post by throwntoday »

dang wrote: post #702
throwntoday wrote: post #327

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>I hate to bring trans politics into this. I'm sure that's the last thing anybody wants to hear about right now. You're right. Too bad it didn't stop you from doing it anyway.

You can't attack other users like that here, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't do it again. Also: it looks like your account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle. We also ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for, because it destroys the curious conversation this site is supposed to be for. I'm not going to ban you right now because you've also posted good things,…

I just restated what the user themselves admitted. I don't believe that qualifies as an attack.

Ideological debates are more likely to get someone to login to respond anyway. And throwaway accounts exist because holding a controversial opinion gets you downvoted automatically. If your intention is to shut down any kind of debate, curious conversation just won't exist here at all.

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Post by MertsA »

drewcoo wrote: post #446
throwawayboise wrote: post #186

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You should assume your SSN is public anyway. There have been so many leaks, and it's not like a credit card where you get a new number if it is compromised.

Because it was intended as an identifier, not as a secret. The financial industry couldn't tell the difference between the two so now everyone tries to hide their IDs.

>The financial industry couldn't tell the difference between the two so now everyone tries to hide their IDs.

What's sad and funny is that the login page for "The Work Number" quite literally uses the following for their username field.

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Post by Grustaf »

wolverine876 wrote: post #766
Grustaf wrote: post #647

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One reason for the previously very high trust that existed in Sweden is the homogenous population. Everyone spoke the same language, knew the same songs, had the same values. (Other reasons could include protestantism, the cold climate, low crime rates etc). When the population is becoming very diverse, and as crime is increasing, trust falls. This is not speculation, it is well known. And it's happening in Sweden, i…

> When the population is becoming very diverse, and as crime is increasing, trust falls. This is not speculation, it is well known. Diversity causes crime to increase? That's only 'well known' among people who oppose those who are different than them.

In the case of Sweden it's not a secret that crime has increased exactly because of immigration, since some immigrant groups are extremely over represented in crime stats.

Looking at crimes in general, people with both parents born outside of Sweden are about 3x more likely to commit crimes, and the over representation is even higher for violent crimes.

Looking at violent rape, 75% of assailants were born outside Europe.

There are very extensive statistics on this, and unfortunately they don't go away no matter how much you love people "that are different". Even calling people racists doesn't work, believe me they tried.

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Post by spopejoy »

gruez wrote: post #713
michaelt wrote: post #689

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> Should anyone be allowed to suppress factual information about themselves because they're uncomfortable with it? Just because it's factual that I caught gonorrhoea from a prostitute while on holiday in Thailand, doesn't mean Equifax has a right to tell my boss, my landlord, and half a dozen russian hackers about it.

>Just because it's factual that I caught gonorrhoea from a prostitute while on holiday in Thailand that seems to be an entirely different issue because the information is privileged/confidential. For the purposes of this argument I'll concede that information obtained under confidence shouldn't be able to be disseminated. That said, I can't really imagine "you didn't pay your debts" to be in the same category of secr…

Debt is created by the lender to make a profit. Saying that somebody's credit history is inherently public is the same as saying their work performance history is inherently public. Nobody is forcing lenders to make loans, quite the opposite; in fact there is a great deal of statutory law preventing predatory lenders (ie deliberately lending to those who can't repay) and the megabanks addiction to junk like car loans is also evidence of the rapacious appetite for lending.

Thus, credit history is for the lenders and by the lenders, all with the purpose of maximizing revenue for the lenders. How one concludes that permanent credit history is some burden all citizenry has to bear for their lifetime is beyond me.

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Post by p1esk »

olliej wrote: post #770
p1esk wrote: post #739

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By your logic, corporations are people too

That is indeed what the US Supreme Court agrees with you. Except of course corporations don't go to jail for committing crime.

Neither do governments. But individual people in governments and corporations do.

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Post by wonderhamster »

haswell wrote: post #650
gruez wrote: post #619

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>The extra friction is probably a feature: https://assets.equifax.com/wfs/theworknumber/assets/twn_Empl ... (the exif data on that PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010...) I don't get it. how is "PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010" relevant to the claim that "extra friction is probably a feature"?

Just speculating here, but I wonder if their point is that they went out of their way to create a PDF that is as unusable as possible, and that Word 2010 is somehow required to create such a PDF. A few simpler explanations: - Equifax IT hasn't rolled out modern O365 apps - The form was created a long time ago, and has not been updated Regardless of the exif data, I do believe that friction is absolutely a feature in…

I've worked on these kinds of systems, but not this one explicitly. There is always a discussion about how to make it(legally) more difficult for users to do something you don't want them to do. It's not paranoia, it's reality.

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Post by pydry »

FredPret wrote: post #685
pydry wrote: post #509

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Capitalism is the engine behind the pay-to-play nature of the political processes and the supporting propaganda that triggers those failures. You cant separate capitalism from, for example, the decades of amplified Koch propaganda attacking environmental regulatory prudence and buying up politicians. The Kochs respond to incentives just like everybody else. >It's perfectly possible to have 100% ecological capitalism.…

Pay-to-play happens in every single society. The bigger the government, the more benefit there is in engaging in this behaviour.

Corruption of some form usually exists in every society but this form is something a bit special.

r > g means that the power accumulates at a geometric rate without countervailing forces.

What this means is that capitalism requires an exceptionally tight leash to not spin out of control. The mere presence of voting isnt enough.

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Post by yoaviram »

Larrikin wrote: post #367
yoaviram wrote: post #347

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Or send them a CCPA data deletion request: https://yourdigitalrights.org/d/equifax.com . This will generate a request email. You can then change the wordings to indicate that you are interested in deleting your salary history data. Disclaimer: I'm one of the creators of YourDigitalRights.org.

What are the potential ramifications for submitting a request on your site when you don't have residency in one of the listed areas?

Worst case they wont deal with your request.
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