When I looked mine up I could see just about every job I’ve ever had. It also showed who pulled this report over the past 24 months. I see that my credit card companies pulled it, a background check company that my current job used, and also some random “TEST Batch Account” whatever that is. SSN + DOB and you can find out how much money I made on my w2 for many years of my life. Nice. I am debating on doing a ccpa de…
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#712NOTE: It is possible to freeze access to your employment data here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze That being said, it doesn't stop employers from continuing to hand Equifax your data on a gold platter, and therefore does nothing to protect you from the inevitable data breach that will result in Equifax being required to give everyone affected $0.36 or one year of free credit monitoring.
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#713Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Like the banker opening a checking account for me who commented "OK, we can move past that," or please see my other reply with anecdotes. It also hurts for me to see that deadname and my thanks for knowing that term. I don't see what the issue is. The fact that you previously used that name is a piece of factual information about you. Should anyone be allowed to suppress factual information about themselves because…
> Should anyone be allowed to suppress factual information about themselves because they're uncomfortable with it? Just because it's factual that I caught gonorrhoea from a prostitute while on holiday in Thailand, doesn't mean Equifax has a right to tell my boss, my landlord, and half a dozen russian hackers about it.
that seems to be an entirely different issue because the information is privileged/confidential. For the purposes of this argument I'll concede that information obtained under confidence shouldn't be able to be disseminated. That said, I can't really imagine "you didn't pay your debts" to be in the same category of secrecy as "caught gonorrhoea from a prostitute". That's even more true for something as public as your name.
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When I submit the myprivacy.equifax.com validation it hangs at "Processing..." indefinitely. #AbolishCreditAgencies
The current oligopoly of the big three credit bureaus is a travesty and needs substantial reform. That being said, abolishing the concept of a consumer credit report entirely is a terrible idea. It is a fact that different people simply present different risks to a lender in their likelihood of default. Having actual data about a person's previous repayment history is extremely predictive of their future default prob…
And any bank will ascertain this from their forms when applying for a loan well before they do any kind of credit check on you.
Also, YOU should control your credit history. You can give it to a lender if you wish to prove your credit worthiness. They shouldn't be allowed to give it to anyone else. Organizations should not be allowed to track it unsolicited.
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#715I checked earlier today and yep, my employer is selling my data and future earnings potential to the company that is infamous for poor data security. A confounding factor is that as a hiring manager, and at least for all the hiring decisions I have been involved in, I know we did not use this to check candidates. So what's the upside? EDIT: ADP Workforcenow appears to do this automatically. I'm curious to find out if…
I worked in a two person company last year where I ran payroll with ADP. It's there for me too, and I don't recall opt in permission on this.
[races off to something much worse than you imagined with your data]
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This should be a welcomed critique. While I believe China is worse, the US has many issues that affect the majority on a personal level that should bother the average citizen more than it does. Healthcare insurance, medical debt, credit scores, worker’s rights, privacy data, and the list goes on. I could whataboutism your point, but I think it’s clear you aren’t saying we should move to China. Instead the point seems…
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#717Earlier quoted context omitted.
There were many democratic socialist countries, unfortunately socialism devolves into tyranny in less than one election period. For example Czechoslovakia voted for communism freely by its own volition in 1946, and the communists started killing people the same year. It's not an individual's fault - many new unknown people started ruthlessly competing for absolute power as soon as it became available. Similar process…
If killing people is your bar for descending into tyranny then capitalism is guilty of the same thing. The whiskey rebellion happened in the US shortly after it’s formation and that was over paying taxes to the capitalist state. You also had the various government slaughters of workers striking whenever they tried to get a better deal from their employers
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Spoken like someone who has already benefited from past growth. “Stop the economy! We have enough money already!” There are people living in inprovised huts in the third world who would literally give a limb for more growth.
Who said anything about stopping the economy? It will keep going just fine. I am a third worlder, by the way. My father taught me not to be indebted to anyone, a principle he himself holds to this day and a major reason for whatever prosperity my family managed to achieve.
IOU’s are the oil that grease the economic machine.
Personal debt, when used wisely, can supercharge a life. Buying that first car, a house, going to uni. It can change the trajectory of the person for the better. Debt-fueled investments like startups and property improvements are another example.
Shakespeare was no economist.
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> Used wisely When does that ever happen? Lending and borrowing are always at the root of every economic crisis. National debt of countries are already astronomically large and will only keep growing. Just abolish credit as well. If it means the economy will grow slower, so be it.
I'm going to guess that either you already own your home and your car outright, or that you're renting something somewhere and don't own a car. Or you're wealthy to the point of being able to pay cash or make major purchases without having to save for a while. In any case, you're already comfortable. You already have what you need. So it's easy to be against the things that would help people slightly less fortunate t…
Partially correct.
Yes, I own my car. While I was in school my family bought the cheapest used vehicle there was so that I could go to classes. After I graduated, I continued using that car until I had made more than enough money to buy a new one. I have friends who took on massive amounts of debt in order to have luxurious vehicles right after graduation. I will never do something like that.
Yes, my family owns their homes. Both my parents worked jobs while renting an apartment until they had enough to buy the home I grew up in and in which they live in to this day. It took a lot of effort.
Yes, my education was fully paid for in advance. My parents prepared and planned for it since the day I was born. My father showed me his careful accounting on his ledger, entries dating back decades.
> Or you're wealthy to the point of being able to pay cash or make major purchases without having to save for a while.
Wealthy enough to pay cash? I guess. Without any planning and saving? No.
> Credit allows me to buy the house NOW and start building equity NOW.
What did you really buy? Fail to make your payments and see the true owners of your house take it away from you. None of it is real until the payments are done.
> Student loans were a good idea, but ended up with disastrous side effects
Of course. That about sums up the entire history of credit and debt. A great idea that destroys everything.
> But to argue for the abolishment of credit because some people suck at it is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
> It would absolutely destroy the middle class and kneecap upward mobility of the lower class.
On the contrary. Credit and lending are literally responsible for global economic collapse. It destroys the lives of so many it's not even funny.
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#720I pulled my own data. Hilariously, it includes my 3 years at reddit with the official title "JavaScript Apologist", which is what I wrote for myself on the about page when I was developing it.