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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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And led to a huge retardation (in the literal sense) of learning. My kid was way more active and alert, but the schools weren't prepared for this and they basically just read books together; she's way behind in math still. That all said, school hours were set mostly because public schools double as a daycare. I don't know many people who drive in at 7am anymore, it's definitely time to reset expectations here.

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

In the US, maybe. In Europe, it's very unusual for a kid older than ~9 years to be driven to school.

I have to anecdotally disagree. I am living near to a big high school. Every morning parents, primarily mothers, drive their high school kids into school.

One has to know that every 10 minutes the train stops at the school as it has their own stop.

Busses also stop at school.

Nonetheless the amount of kids in their teens being driven to school by parents is staggering.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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So what about enrichment activities such as sports or clubs? Would you timeshift them to mornings if we're starting at 10? Continuing to tack them on to the end of the day would not only cut into traditional family time in the evening and but you'd also run out of daylight which for things like cross-country wouldn't work. I would have liked to have slept in too, but I wouldn't want to at the expense of killing footb…

Nah. There was a lot of nothing time in school. Make core hours like 930 to 230, and keep the extra curriculars at the end of the day.

I’m not so sure any more. My teenage kids have:

- 100 minute long lessons - because they found that it minimises transition time between lessons - 35 minute lunch break and very short mid lesson breaks - twilight lessons - lessons both before and after school to study additional subjects (which is optional)

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Why haven't schools been opening later in the day already since the science has been clear for years that opening later would improve learning?

Schools could at least give the option of "early-bird" and "late-bird" like I had in elementary school.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

In the US, maybe. In Europe, it's very unusual for a kid older than ~9 years to be driven to school.

Not anymore. I see more and more people driving kids to school.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

In the US, maybe. In Europe, it's very unusual for a kid older than ~9 years to be driven to school.

When I was 9 years old in Europe, I was walking to school almost two kilometers on my own. And since that age I've never been hauled to any school by my parents using any means of transportation.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

There are a lot of high schoolers who do not live within walking distance of their school, or who aren't safe walking to their school. Buses are unreliable, easy to miss, and public transportation can be expensive. It's a whole thing.

This article is from a Swiss University. In the Canton of Zurich, kids are supposed to be walking to school alone by age 6 (law mandates that there must be a school within $WALKING_DISTANCE of any residential building).

High schoolers that need to be taken to school by their parents are definitely the exception.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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High schoolers do not need daycare; they also do not need parents to dress them and get them to school. They should be able to manage those things on their own, and take care of themselves for a few unsupervised hours a day.

I'm in complete agreement, but 13 year olds cannot secure their own transportation. Most school districts I've lived in seem designed to ensure parents drive their kids to school. As an example, my current district won't offer a bus unless you live more than 3 miles away. 3 miles is a giant distant to walk every morning. Luckily, we live about a half mile away and she bikes to school. I wouldn't let her bike 3 miles,…

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