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Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by d23 »

40four wrote: post #235

I don’t know if the OP is the author of this article or not, but all I have to say I want to buy into the overall concept/ thesis. But the writing is so erratic and turbulent, it is really hard to follow the author’s train of thought. It feels like they are trying SO hard to come across as deep and intellectual, that they lost sight of how it comes across to the reader. It’s like they are trying to force as many ‘big…

I honestly just ran out of steam by the halfway point. It felt like every paragraph could have been reduced to a sentence and every section reduced to a paragraph.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by jonstewart »

someguydave wrote: post #221
jonstewart wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Palladium’s other cofounder is a white nationalist neoreactionary. Is one degree of separation from white nationalism sufficient distance for HN culture? It is very hard for me to see such dross posted and discussed seriously, earnestly, when everything I’ve been taught about critical thinking as a hacker is to be skeptical, whether of function return codes, technical documentation, or people writin…

Out of curiosity did your skepticism lead you to read the essay and consider his ideas?

I read the first half but then switched to skimming the rest. It’s long-winded and not particularly well-written. I concur with the basic thesis that there are potentially more important things to life than work (or a particular job, at least), and that one should prioritize how to spend one’s time. Also, I agree that the more one pulls on the thread of one’s natural interests, the more likely one is to be rewarded —- Pasteur’s “fortune favors only the prepared mind.” There’s a. undercurrent of sexism, however naive, that made it hard for me to read.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by jonstewart »

gr__or wrote: post #337
jonstewart wrote: post #204

The author is Wolf Tivy, a cofounder of Palladium Magazine. Palladium Magazine is funded by Peter Thiel. The other cofounder of Palladium is Jonah Bennett; he now works at a stealth web3 startup and he says on his website he’s a political moderate. However, he also used to work at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller and pal around with white nationalists and neoreactionaries. He resigned from Palladium after those ties and…

Hi Jon Stewart, big fan (wink wink) I was satisfied with this reaction from Jonah wrt the mailing list and such: https://medium.com/@thejonahbennett/statement-on-emails-83c5... The Web3 stuff is making me more skeptical, but let's see!

I’m not satisfied by it. There’s no real excuse as a grown up for associating with hate folks.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by jonstewart »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #328
meheleventyone wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was waiting for the blood and soil stuff but maybe that’s the next issue. I had thought the dork enlightenment stuff had died a death but apparently not.

> I had thought the dork enlightenment stuff had died a death Gotta put out the rich backer's message to where the audience is receptive. And phrase it to please them (i.e. sound thoughtful)

Yes, exactly. When reading essays like this, a critical thinker should remember “consider the source” and “cui bono?”

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by Blackstone4 »

JimboOmega wrote: post #185
themacguffinman wrote: post #175

"If you lose everything you own, you generally still have your network and skills" I get the general call to action that those who have excess resources should leverage that to take big risks, but this really undersells the possible consequences of losing everything you own. No, you don't always keep your network and skills. Sometimes, you lose everything. You lose friends from fallout or you belatedly realize that y…

It smells like privilege. That isn't to say that the OP was protected regardless. But the mindset that lets you do this is a mindset that comes from a background of abundance. Where you can always get another job if you want one, where you always have friends or parents who will bail you out or give you what you need. A background where things just always seem to work out.

Yeah it can come from a background of abundance but does not mean it is not a good attitude to have. I have spent most of my life with an attitude of scarcity and I was jealous of others. It held me back in so many ways and made me unhappy. Now I try to live with positive outlook on the future and try to make things happen with a belief that things will work out some how in the end. Impoverised people could benefit from some of this thinking (balanced with realism) since it could help improve their circumstance.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by lhorie »

burntoutfire wrote: post #319
lhorie wrote: post #140

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Worth pointing out that Starbucks and restaurants around Hollywood are staffed by actor-wannabes hoping for a big break in the movie industry, many of whom never end up amounting to anything. On another corner of the spectrum, you get Paris Hilton, who frankly doesn't have to put effort into anything she tries. Point being, depending on who "you" are and what "it" is, the advice of "why don't you just go for it, ever…

Maybe being a waitress is not the worst thing in the world? Billions of people can only dream of being a waiter/waitress in LA, and the lifestyle that goes with it.

You need to look at things relative to something that makes sense in the context of the conversation. Obviously, it's better to be a barista in LA than a starving kid in a war zone, but the context here is that we're talking about people who want to be famous actors and can't, so they take on minimum wage jobs to survive until eventually bitter disillusionment hits.

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Post by margalabargala »

pseudalopex wrote: post #241
margalabargala wrote: post #177

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That's your opinion. The author apparently has a different one. I would point out that in Western society there have been groups such as religious orders dedicated to the "virtue of poverty" for at least 8 centuries[0] so this is not exactly a new idea. I'm sure that back then, the ideas probably elicited at least one similar reaction from someone in the equivalent of your position. But enough other people found thos…

Religious orders are voluntary.

Yes, just like the lifestyle that the author promotes here. They are not forcing you to quit their job, they are encouraging you to voluntarily make that choice. If the article was titled "Join the Franciscan Monks" and was about the benefits the author perceived from making that choice rather than what they did, the article would similarly mention the "virtues of poverty".

One person choosing, for personal reasons, a situation that another person had forced upon them and dislikes, is not inherently cruel.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by hsn915 »

bawolff wrote: post #208

I was nodding along until i reached: >Yes, even the bane of Darwin’s faith—the humble ichneumon wasp that lays its maggots inside the living bodies of caterpillars to eat them from the inside and burst out on maturity like some alien xenomorph—is a beautiful creature with a sacred task. Like many parasites, its role in the great chain of being is to test the health and defenses of its caterpillar host population. Its…

> justification to hurt others for your own gain

You're jumping into conclusions.

His sentiment is better understood in terms of the balance of nature.

He posted this on his Twitter a while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

The video is titled "How Wolves Change Rivers".

"When wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone National Park in the United States after being absent nearly 70 years, the most remarkable "trophic cascade" occurred."

As the video explains, unchecked herboviore species has caused a lot of damage to the environment, grazing much of the vegetation. The introduction of wolves radically changed the behavior of the prey species and they start avoiding certain places like valleys where they can easily be trapped. This allowed the vegetation to regenerate and trees started to grow. This resulted in birds moving in. Beavers started to increase, and the dams they built provided habitat for a bunch of other species of animals. And so on and so forth. The regeneration of the vegetation provided stability to the banks of the rivers so they collapsed less often.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by stakkur »

Ah yes, the young, childless, mortgageless life of 'quit your job and find yourself'. I appreciate a lot of the ideas the author has, but in these stories there's rarely acknowledgement of the elephant in the room--it's a story mainly for the young and unencumbered, which is a small minority of people.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by [deleted] »

betwixthewires wrote: post #114
SkipperCat wrote: post #78

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When men talk about courting a woman. It just sounds like they are either hunting an animal or performing a job. Seriously, if she (or he) likes you, then it just clicks. Talk of putting effort into it removes the humanity of the other person and also gives creepy people the perspective that someone "owes" them romance because they put the hours into it. It's just gross and misogynistic behavior.

This comment says more about you than them. It never "just clicks". Meaningful relationships take work. In the modern adversarial dating environment, people are very wary of one another. Helping someone get to know you means getting them to let down their defenses. People are defensive and cautious these days for good reason, but often times it means meaningful connections with potential just don't happen out of appr…

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