Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

covid19.colorado.gov

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

661–670 of 703 posts

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#661

Post by spurgu »

uhtred wrote: post #442
gilbetron wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a fairly typical cold, maybe edging to "bad" in my experience. I'm double vaxxed plus a booster about 1 month ago, and currently have Omicron. I have roughly the same experience as you, although less on the coughing, which is odd because I usually get a lot more coughing with colds.

> That sounds like a fairly typical cold No, it doesn't. I've never felt "wiped out" from a typical cold.

Joint pain and being mentally "out" (not being able to hold complex structures in my mind = unable to code) are two hallmarks of common colds for me and why I always take ~2 days off work when I have one - I'd just get frustrated trying. Sore throat is another one.

Omicron now is no different. Ended up taking 3 days off work and am now back to normal capacity.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#662

Post by jollybean »

nradov wrote: post #628
thomasmg wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(You are right of course. With the data we have now, we are quite certain that Omicron is much milder. Hopefully no lockdown is needed.) But, personally, I would like to avoid getting Omicron, as long term effects are still unclear: does "long Omicron" exist, does it affect vaccinated, and if yes how common and severe is it. There are some recent news about long Covid: it could be micro-clots.

Unless you live as a hermit you are unlikely to avoid getting Omicron. A more rational approach would be to take steps that will maximize your odds of survival when you do get it. https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

Yes, like taking a vaccine. And also social distancing and avoiding others so that the peak of cases doesn't coincide with an overflow of Medical facilities resulting in your inability to get proper medical attention if needed.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#663

Post by spurgu »

time_to_smile wrote: post #574
brandonmenc wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 10 years ago if your said it was fine to double the annual cases of flu and flu death people would have said that was insane. And if you told them that things like lockdowns and vaccine mandates were still in effect at that point, they'd say that was insane too.

> vaccine mandates were still in effect at that point, they'd say that was insane too. No, that one is particularly weird right now. Vaccines are essentially mandated for many parts of life, and have been for my entire life. At multiple points throughout my development I've had to get required vaccines to do things. I had never even heard of antivaxxers until my late 20s. They used to be laughed at as an insane fring…

> Vaccines are essentially mandated for many parts of life

Not ones requiring multiple jabs per year, seemingly forever (unless something like Omicron comes along).

Also not experimental ones rushed out with an EUA. Would you accept a mandate of the Chinese or Cuban vaccine, twice per year, for your whole family, for the whole foreseeable future?

> Nobody in 2011 would have thought it was weird that vaccines would be mandated.

You'd be very wrong. I remember very well that people were highly vocal against the H1N1 vaccine a decade ago and would've (rightfully so) lost their minds with mandates. Turned out the vaccine caused narcolepsy in kids[0], among other things. I never had that vaccine. My pregnant partner did (which turned out to be a lucky gamble).

> resisting wearing masks

Barring N95/FPP2+ masks it's mainly theater. It will be interesting to read all about this in a year or three once the heated political agendas have subsided.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_vaccin...

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#664

Post by JPKab »

MrMan wrote: post #395
JPKab wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My brother had mild symptoms after being unvaccinated. So did my kids. So did my neighbors whose kids play at my house all the time. So did the vast majority of South Africans who aren't vaccinated. I push the vaccine onto all my high-risk family members. I recommend it to anybody as a tool to introduce your immune system to the virus. But let's be honest about this: The vaccines in circulation were created to stop t…

an honest, but wrong, take in your final paragraph.

Feel free to state counter arguments. I'd like to hear what statements I said conflict with your understanding of the science.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#665

Post by Izkata »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #595
nradov wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is that Biden's plan was essentially the same as Trump's plan, which also focused on using federal funds and manpower to produce and distribute vaccines as widely and rapidly as possible.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, but I'll respond to you question. Trump repeatedly downplayed the severity of the virus, called it a "Democrat hoax", argued against many of the masking and distancing mandates that large cities had put in place, claimed that Fauci is incompetent and shouldn't be listened to, etc. So, no, they are not the same plan. There is a reason why counties that went red have l…

This part:

> But apparently the plan was (a) to use federal funds and manpower to get vaccines spread as widely as possible. There was an early goals of 100M doses in the first 100 days, which was met

Trump's Operation Warp Speed got the vaccines out with federal funding, and deployment under the Trump administration had reached 1.6 million per day before he was out of office - higher than Biden's original goal. That was why they had to increase the goal afterwards.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#666

Post by bigyellow »

xkbarkar wrote: post #647
decebalus1 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it just me or are we getting a lot of new(ish) accounts posting blatant COVID misinformation and/or flamebait lately?

Bots I think. You can tell pretty easily. Most HN threads are pretty high quality but this one is bot infested. I wouldnt let it bother me too much.

Anyone who disagrees with vaccine efficacy is a bot? Wow, you sure made a good argument there!

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#667

Post by bigyellow »

Taywee wrote: post #130
bigyellow wrote: post #95

Quoted post unavailable.

The vaccines were never purported to be 100% effective, and all the data and information was clear that they had lower effectiveness against Delta, and even lower against Omicron. If people told you that the vaccines would lower your chances of contracting every known major variant and lower your chances of a serious illness, they were right. If they told you that the vaccines were guaranteed to completely prevent ev…

I guess that's why they changed the definition of "vaccine", huh?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#668

Post by tablespoon »

causality0 wrote: post #118
benjaminwootton wrote: post #103

Surely this is the end of the pandemic? With an estimated 300k+ cases per day here in the UK, that is 10 million this month on top of everyone who has already had it. It’s as though nobody is ready to acknowledge the elephant in the room that Covid is nearly finished. Or am I missing something?

You're missing the fact you can catch it over and over. My wife is currently battling Omicron after we both had covid at the start of last year. Fully vaccinated and boosted three weeks ago, caught it anyway. With an infected population this massive mutations happen fast enough to cause a new wave before the old one burns out.

> You're missing the fact you can catch it over and over. My wife is currently battling Omicron after we both had covid at the start of last year. Fully vaccinated and boosted three weeks ago, caught it anyway. With an infected population this massive mutations happen fast enough to cause a new wave before the old one burns out.

I think at this point, the likely endgame is endemic virus with tolerable consequences. Humanity probably isn't capable of the level of cooperation required to drive this virus to extinction (I'm guessing that would take a massive, coordinated, well-complied with vaccination campaign undertaken over just a couple months).

As far as I know previous immunity still protects against serious disease, even with the variants, so hopefully we'll see less deaths and hospital admissions.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#669

Post by tablespoon »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #467
uhtred wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the gatekeeper on feeling sick, now?

We've been under threat of lockdown, under lockdown, or under restrictions for ~2 years now. It's understandable that some are very concerned after or about getting sick but many of us, for our own sanity and psychological health, need to move on.

> We've been under threat of lockdown, under lockdown, or under restrictions for ~2 years now.

> It's understandable that some are very concerned after or about getting sick but many of us, for our own sanity and psychological health, need to move on.

WWII lasted longer, and IIRC the US was under a restrictive civilian rationing regime that whole time.

I understand that people can get annoyed with various measures required for the public good, but that's not good reason to "move on" from whatever challenge that motivates them.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

#670

Post by jacquesm »

Animats wrote: post #536
specialp wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This data from NYC has been supplanted and updated for all of NYS: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data This still shows a greater than 10x difference in outcomes. Additionally, the "unvacccinated" population includes people naturally vaccinated by virtue of having a previous case. It could very well evolve into a form that is mild enough and different enough from the vaccine spike that brings…

"Additionally, the "unvacccinated" population includes people naturally vaccinated by virtue of having a previous case." Only if it's recent. How recent isn't clear yet. Somewhere in the > 90 days, [1] https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/why-covid-19-vaccines-offe... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8604456/

First version and Delta re-infection is fairly common and Omicron re-infection will be more common still, even if vaccinated.
Post reply on HN