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Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by Dudeman112 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #356
refurb wrote: post #323

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> When the space adventure story includes a massive subplot about a non-white characters search for identity in an unjust world that oppressed them, you suddenly wonder if the bought the wrong ticket. Why is that verboten? Why is it different than any other subplot of a personal challenge? It's a common part of real life.

I find those stereotypes unamusing.

The vast majority of representation on my "kind" is the same shit, over and over again.

No, I do not sympathise with the Latino nor Brazilian stereotype and it is grating seeing it played straight so often. It feels like they are trying to pander to me.

That is annoying and the sort of stuff I'd rather avoid if I am consuming fiction.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by [deleted] »

wolverine876 wrote: post #380
4ggr0 wrote: post #334

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Seems strange to me, too. Red Pilled is used in contexts where someone starts seeing the hidden truth the elites want to hide from them etc. Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions, without having anything to do with some hidden secrets or other such things.

The hidden secret is the life - the oppressive discrimination - many minorities, especially black persons, have been experiencing for generations, without most white people being aware of it. When you take that red pill, when you are open to the facts, it is shocking what has been happening right under our noses. You can't unsee it. A simple suggestion: Just talk about it with people who are black; if you don't know…

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by BearsAreCool »

bgroat wrote: post #408
ByThyGrace wrote: post #259

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Now imagine House M.D. rehashed to a brilliant but callous software guru trying to diagnose various misbehaviours/misuse of tech all around town. I'm not sure if that's a promising pitch or straight up garbage!

I'm holding out for a Breaking Bad style show about a software consultant who realizes how much money they can make by pivoting to running a malware ransom ring

Its not exactly that, but Mr. Robot is excellent if you haven't seen it.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by bequanna »

ashwagary wrote: post #305
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What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?

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> you might be racist

Please stop this. Every instance of someone referencing something that originated from a culture other than their own is not "appropriation" or "racism".

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Post by spaetzleesser »

wolverine876 wrote: post #345
SuoDuanDao wrote: post #311

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"Woke" is simply the left's word for what the right calls 'Redpilled'. In both subcultures it means 'a recognition of some fundamental truth that does not bring joy'. Done well, it can be a vehicle for criticising one's own culture in a constructive way. Done poorly, it can be a vehicle for oikophobia and gatekeeping, a means of distinguishing oneself from the naively patriotic proletariate.

> "Woke" is simply the left's word I see it used much more on the right, such as in the comment that started this subthread. EDIT: But otherwise, I think that's an excellent definition.

“Woke” has quickly gone the way of “liberal” and become an insult. It was a stupid word anyway so I don’t mind if it just goes away.

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Post by hidudeurcool »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #311
4ggr0 wrote: post #295

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What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?

"Woke" is simply the left's word for what the right calls 'Redpilled'. In both subcultures it means 'a recognition of some fundamental truth that does not bring joy'. Done well, it can be a vehicle for criticising one's own culture in a constructive way. Done poorly, it can be a vehicle for oikophobia and gatekeeping, a means of distinguishing oneself from the naively patriotic proletariate.

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by refurb »

wolverine876 wrote: post #356
refurb wrote: post #323

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> When the space adventure story includes a massive subplot about a non-white characters search for identity in an unjust world that oppressed them, you suddenly wonder if the bought the wrong ticket. Why is that verboten? Why is it different than any other subplot of a personal challenge? It's a common part of real life.

It is a part of real life, but in some of these movies it’s so transparent that the plot was forced into an original “space adventure” movie.

It almost becomes a distraction to the overall plot, versus something like Starwars where the good versus evil is non-specific enough it has universal appeal.

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Post by fsloth »

scotty79 wrote: post #262
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USA is an advocate of very specific stability. "Free world" is a hyperbolic but US is still a huge global power. In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. Go ask for example Estonians, Lithuanians or Latvians who they enjoyed the yoke of the USSR. Now, as China is becoming an ever more stronger player, we again see that there are two sides arising. While pa…

> In cold war it was obvious there were two sides ... These two sides narration was a very intentional American construct. View from the other side wasn't symmetrical. US as seen from the other side was just seen as a powerful country that likes to mess around with other countries business exploiting them for their own purposes. End of cold war changed nothing. US is still a powerful country that likes to mess around…

It's not entirely a US based fiction. In some areas the question was between choosing a western US led order or the USSR based one. Not everywhere, of course.

US is of course a selfish actor. But it's not black and white, and while US has never been "the good guy" they are still a stabilizing force that for most parts promotes rule based order. Yes, they assault sovereign states and all that, I'm not disagreeing US has pathologies to bear.

But in some regions it's influence benefits the local population (even though the goal is not directly to help anyone but to promote a specific selfish policy).

On the Eurasian theater Russia is not a neglible actor. Given it is being lead by a mafia more or less, in regional matters Russia is still a looming threat (ahem, Ukraine, ahem).

As a citizen of country which shares a very long land border with Russia (Finland), and given the realpolitik fact small nations are at the mercy of larger powers, I much prefer a situation where US can politically and financially influence events in my local vicinity to a one where Russia would be the larger presence.

If I was for example Vietnamese I might hold quite different views. Or if I lived in an area that was a theater of conflict for drone strikes and my family suddenly died as collateral damage.

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Post by d23 »

some-username wrote: post #371
pdimitar wrote: post #152

I hope this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone. At least for a lot of people outside the USA it was super obvious that the mainstream movies in the cinema are painting an overly optimistic picture of the US.

I was not surprised that it happens, but I was quite astonished about the extent of it. Also it's nice to have proof and insight.

What proof and insight did this article give you? As far as I can tell, the movie this article is referring to hasn't come out yet.
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