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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by arethuza »

fnklay wrote: post #297
notahacker wrote: post #272

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> I'll try an easier and more concrete one to help you out. Do you think Hollywood is at all hypocritical or insincere about their collective rhetoric about gun violence while also producing movies that glorify guns and people solving their problems with violence? The OP's argument was that modern movies are political propaganda supporting "wokeism", so a concrete example where Hollywood movies are often - intentiona…

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In the movie Bond retires and another agent is given his code number - she is not playing James Bond (obviously).

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by xcambar »

b112 wrote: post #236
xcambar wrote: post #142

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> There is no evidence the show was designed as an advertisement for the DGSE. It is for me inconceivable that the DGSE did not think of the outcome before agreeing to be an active collaborator of the show, and act accordingly to it's own benefits.

I get why you say this, however corps often can't even think of why securing infra, and code, is important. Why then would any other part of society be different? Competence is not a widely spread feature of humanity.

Intelligence services are not a random subset of humanity, though.

As one of us two seem to have a definitive argument, I guess we'll have to stick to our beliefs for now. I'm more curious now to know how much of it all was planned than I was before this conversation started.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by shkkmo »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #311
4ggr0 wrote: post #295

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What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?

"Woke" is simply the left's word for what the right calls 'Redpilled'. In both subcultures it means 'a recognition of some fundamental truth that does not bring joy'. Done well, it can be a vehicle for criticising one's own culture in a constructive way. Done poorly, it can be a vehicle for oikophobia and gatekeeping, a means of distinguishing oneself from the naively patriotic proletariate.

This seems absolutely incorrect.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by 4ggr0 »

shkkmo wrote: post #333
SuoDuanDao wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Woke" is simply the left's word for what the right calls 'Redpilled'. In both subcultures it means 'a recognition of some fundamental truth that does not bring joy'. Done well, it can be a vehicle for criticising one's own culture in a constructive way. Done poorly, it can be a vehicle for oikophobia and gatekeeping, a means of distinguishing oneself from the naively patriotic proletariate.

This seems absolutely incorrect.

Seems strange to me, too.

Red Pilled is used in contexts where someone starts seeing the hidden truth the elites want to hide from them etc. Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions, without having anything to do with some hidden secrets or other such things.

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Post by CodeGlitch »

mpalmer wrote: post #327
CodeGlitch wrote: post #252

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> Like when black actors get representation in media previously dominated by white people, to me that is just a good thing, but I see reports that many think this is “wokeness”, which they think is bad. In the 90s Will Smith starred in Independence Day, and absolutely no one complained (as far as I know) because Will Smith is awesome and he deserved the role. See also Blade from the same era. People get upset when it…

Look I hate Discovery as much as the next guy but are you really saying that some of the women or POC on that show are worse actors than the white men that would have been cast a few decades ago? Is Discovery the only Star Trek show you've seen?

I watched and loved TNG and DS9.

I'm not sure any amount of acting talent could save Discovery. The problem is the writing.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by shkkmo »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #227
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #219

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I asked because whenever I hear about someone complaining of “wokeism” they’re complaining about things that I think are good. Giving black actors roles in areas normally dominated by white actors? That’s awesome! But whenever this happens loads of people online will claim that is “wokeism”. Representation for gay, lesbian, queer, and trans people in media? Wow that’s great! Many complain this is “wokeism”. Recognizi…

> I asked because whenever I hear about someone complaining of “wokeism” Forgive me if you were being genuine, but frequently when I see the word used on the internet, I see replies from people who seem utterly bewildered and claim that they really want to know what the word means. But it's trivial to find out what this or any other word or slang word means with a simple internet search, so it doesn't really seem lik…

> That's not what woke means though, it's clearly about hypocrisy and insincerity and performative pointless acts or gestures. Did you not read the definition I gave you, or were you being insincere when you asked about the meaning of the word in the first place?

You seem to be the one asserting that the word has only one true meaning. That is absolutely false. The word originated with one meaning and has been co-opted by other groups including onew that have used word in ironic or sarcastic ways that have twisted that meaning.

It is thus perfectly legitimate to ask people, especially those who you think are using the ironic meaning, what they mean when they use the word

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by peterclary »

ByThyGrace wrote: post #259
UweSchmidt wrote: post #192

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There might have been some improvements in this area but I still haven't seen any (male) IT guy in a movie who is not portrayed as some kind of weirdo and relegated to the side. Even female nerds are at the very best assisting the hero. TV lawyers and doctors however get to hold jargon-filled monologues and be in lead roles. /rant

Now imagine House M.D. rehashed to a brilliant but callous software guru trying to diagnose various misbehaviours/misuse of tech all around town. I'm not sure if that's a promising pitch or straight up garbage!

Paging Dr Susan Calvin...

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by jfmarshall »

namdnay wrote: post #207
nsonha wrote: post #161

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I would not publish any of my political views with my identity in this cancel culture. It makes sense some people want to be anonymous with those statements.

most of us are anonymous here I think? And the cancel culture has been here for at least 20 years, I remember what it was like to dare say that you didnt think it was a good idea to invade Iraq.. my comment was more on suspicious accounts that single post over the top propaganda and then disappear

What about my account is suspicious? What in my post is propaganda or untrue? How many posts and comments should I have made before and after this one in order to not seem suspicious? Would anything change had I kept a permanent account and frequent activity?

You do not like what I post, but you have nothing to respond with and so you are instead clawing for anything in order to discredit me and my fresh YC account.

To me, you are the one who is behaving suspiciously.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by arethuza »

scotty79 wrote: post #235
fsloth wrote: post #104

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USA is an advocate of very specific stability. "Free world" is a hyperbolic but US is still a huge global power. In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. Go ask for example Estonians, Lithuanians or Latvians who they enjoyed the yoke of the USSR. Now, as China is becoming an ever more stronger player, we again see that there are two sides arising. While pa…

> In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. It's quite funny that after the cold war it came out that nukes of 'the more free side' was targetting Estonian, Lithuanian and Latvia cities.

A full US nuclear attack on the Soviet Union and its allies in the early 1960s was estimated by the Pentagon as probably killing ~100 million in Western Europe due to fall-out and 600 million in total - "100 holocausts" as Daniel Ellsberg described it.

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Post by Threeve303 »

34679 wrote: post #121

>The film also notes that the United States has laws against propagandizing the U.S. public, which might make such a disclosure a confession of a crime. I would add that since 1976, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights has required that “Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.” That changed in 2013: >The U.S. government's mammoth broadcasting arm has begun the "unleashing of thousands o…

Imagine you have a tech industry that merged with madison avenue along with psychological methods learned from Guantanamo and CIA Black Sites, and you wanted to build a societal manipulation machine, otherwise known as propaganda. Makes me wonder if there is any relation between the changes mentioned here and some of what the social media infrastructure has been used to do.
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