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Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I hope this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone. At least for a lot of people outside the USA it was super obvious that the mainstream movies in the cinema are painting an overly optimistic picture of the US.

I was not surprised that it happens, but I was quite astonished about the extent of it.

Also it's nice to have proof and insight.

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Ok so war propaganda is illegal but what changed in 2013? Did the laws change or did we just stop caring to enforce them?

The act "geoblocked" propaganda that was ment e.g. for us European's from being received in the US. I think the argument is by "unblocking" it for US audiences there is indirectly a legalization of national propaganda. Particularly as such propaganda is excempt from the freedom of information act, it might be rather hard to prove that such propaganda only targeted an international audience (which is quite aware that…

I wonder if some Youtube videos by Deutsche Welle get blocked in Germany for a similar reason. I'll have to investigate that.

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>It is simply unimaginable. WWII being the fight of good versus evil is the foundation myth of post-1945 western civilization. It is the central dogma of the western pseudo-religion, which prevents meaningful discussion of these matters.

Eh, I'd say the Holocaust makes a good argument in favour of it genuinely being a good vs evil thing. I mean, that certainly wasn't the only (or even main) motivation, but come on. The actual myth is that the West is/was systematically engaged on the good side in good vs evil conflicts, when in reality WWII was more of an exception in that regard.

The origins of WWII have a lot to do with they way what WWI ended. Germany was blockaded and the german people were starved until they were forced to sign a very one-sided treaty.

The holocaust, which is undeniably evil, is used to to hide all the other evils that lead up to WWII or were committed during it. This capped by the completely unnecessary nuclear bombing of Nagasaki by the US. WWII was not actually an exception, we just pretend it was.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Once this was pointed out, I can't unsee it. It's kind of ruined movies that involves the military or military equipment for me, since it can be really obvious when creators toe the line for the military. When I see military equipment my gut reaction is to anticipate the other shoe dropping, and to look for shoehorned hero worship or some good-versus-evil plot point.

One of the most interesting and moderately uncomfortable experiences for me was being in another country and seeing a war movie in that country’s theatres made by a director in that country

It was about a conflict I never thought about before, and also had me rooting for an anti-hero that on a side that would go on to oppose America, although acknowledgement of the US’ future involvement wasn’t even a part of the movie

Visitors and immigrants to the US must face that all the time, or dont have such nationalistic conditioning to care in the first place

In any case, the most interesting thing was how different the movie was. Like the things they focused on werent an unrealistic show of force and winning. I am enough of a film buff to put this on the specific director’s prowess, instead of culture, but I do think the surrounding culture is what helped the director greenlight working on that film.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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> People are still referencing Mcguyver, but nobody's had the hubris to try and reboot that classic. They did. And it probably got the same treatment mentioned in the article. It survived 5 seasons despite receiving abysmal reviews. "Young Angus "Mac" MacGyver works for a clandestine organization within the U.S. government, relying on his unconventional problem-solving skills to save lives." [0] [0] https://www.imdb.…

Wake me up when they try to do "Walker, Texas Ranger" with Ryan Reynolds.

A reboot started airing last year. Sadly no Ryan Reynolds.

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Quoting from Wikipedia: “ Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination' that originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for left-wing ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of wh…

Did “woke” actually originate in AAVE instead of whatever the technical term for twitter-speak is?

I saw it used a bunch in early 2000s to reference hip hop that strongly focused on class struggles, race issues, etc.

It was also used in stoner / party culture around that time to describe being in on the secret that the government was bad, capitalism was bad, etc.

Maybe directly influenced by the movie “waking life” but not sure on that. I was a stoner party kid and my memories of that time are pretty hazy. The culture was super accepting, early advocates for lgbtq before it was an acronym, etc. I also remember that group being very very accepting of everyone who had good intentions regardless of views. “___ is good people” was what we used to say. Probably why I dislike the modern version of woke so much.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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USA is an advocate of very specific stability. "Free world" is a hyperbolic but US is still a huge global power. In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. Go ask for example Estonians, Lithuanians or Latvians who they enjoyed the yoke of the USSR. Now, as China is becoming an ever more stronger player, we again see that there are two sides arising. While pa…

> Go ask for example Estonians, Lithuanians or Latvians who they enjoyed the yoke of the USSR. Ah yes, proximity. Now go ask the small Central American nations if they enjoyed living close to the USA during the 70s and 80s.

Not only the small central american nations. Look up the Operation Condor. We have our share of USA backed coupes all over south america too.

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"Freedom" in American parlance is like "Truth" in Roman Catholic lingo.

This was an unnecessarily devisive comment.

I mean its not wrong, Americans themselves hardly agree on the definition of freedom any more.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Everytime I see such a thread, I wonder how many subcommunities there are on hn. Unless you suffer from a very strong case of Gell-Mann amnesia, I don't see how it is possible to be aware of such efforts and then not question any of the ongoing narratives. The narratives are getting worse and worse as time goes, and so we see the consensus-engineering shifting away from the narratives themselves to polarization. So instead of believing in your narrative, you reject the others because "they are embraced by bad people who also embrace other bad narratives". The different government programs to make people unable to distinguish disinformation and propaganda etc are also well-known around.

How it is possible to constantly see discussed some of the egregious things that were done during Vietnam, Iraq, and then see as much blind faith in the moral good of going into new conflicts?

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This seems absolutely incorrect.

Seems strange to me, too. Red Pilled is used in contexts where someone starts seeing the hidden truth the elites want to hide from them etc. Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions, without having anything to do with some hidden secrets or other such things.

The hidden secret is the life - the oppressive discrimination - many minorities, especially black persons, have been experiencing for generations, without most white people being aware of it. When you take that red pill, when you are open to the facts, it is shocking what has been happening right under our noses. You can't unsee it. A simple suggestion: Just talk about it with people who are black; if you don't know many, you can see how the blue pill world is created.

> Woke in my experience is more used to describe progressive people and their opinions

Like any hot cultural term, it has become loaded with plenty of other meaning. However, to a degree I think you are talking about the reactionaries' use of the word, which they have adopted to politicize it - to use their endless (and successful) rhetorical technique of attacking the messenger; of saying 'it's just liberals' to shift the discussion from the actual problem, racism. For example, you can see the same technique used for climate change.

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