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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by seanhunter »

xfz wrote: post #391
yoaviram wrote: post #347

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Or send them a CCPA data deletion request: https://yourdigitalrights.org/d/equifax.com . This will generate a request email. You can then change the wordings to indicate that you are interested in deleting your salary history data. Disclaimer: I'm one of the creators of YourDigitalRights.org.

Nice site. You should probably update it for Brexit though. There are two GDPRs, for now.

The dropdown has options for "GDPR (UK)", "GDPR (EU)" or "CCPA" so they have actually already done this.

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Post by chrisjc »

BeefySwain wrote: post #21

NOTE: It is possible to freeze access to your employment data here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze That being said, it doesn't stop employers from continuing to hand Equifax your data on a gold platter, and therefore does nothing to protect you from the inevitable data breach that will result in Equifax being required to give everyone affected $0.36 or one year of free credit monitoring.

Just also want to point out that freezing might result in certain parties that you do want to verify your employment from being able to do so.

If you're in the process of buying a house, you might want to hold off on this freeze until your mortgage has been approved. Might be true if you re refinancing or buying some else that requires a significant loan.

I'm not entirely sure if what I've stated above is true, but I've had to use theworknumber in the past when going through the mortgage process.

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Post by naniwaduni »

thrwyoilarticle wrote: post #498
matheusmoreira wrote: post #496

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> Used wisely When does that ever happen? Lending and borrowing are always at the root of every economic crisis. National debt of countries are already astronomically large and will only keep growing. Just abolish credit as well. If it means the economy will grow slower, so be it.

>Abolish credit Expand? I and probably you are probably working in arrears for our employers. That is, we don't get paid until after the work is done. That is extending our employers a credit line. The same applies for rent, for utilities, for phone data, for taxes... Credit is at the root of every economic crisis because credit is money.

Hell, taking items from a store's shelves up to their counter is, in a sense, the store extending you credit. Handing over cash so as for the cashier to open a glass case to retrieve an item, vice versa.

There are certain baseline levels of social trust that we tend to take for granted. Easy, too, to overlook that they are easily violated and not universal.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

boppo1 wrote: post #518
matheusmoreira wrote: post #496

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> Used wisely When does that ever happen? Lending and borrowing are always at the root of every economic crisis. National debt of countries are already astronomically large and will only keep growing. Just abolish credit as well. If it means the economy will grow slower, so be it.

> When does that ever happen? All the time. Debt is almost ubiquitous, and the vast majority of people and businesses use it productively.

To do that they create massive inflation and risk which they try to mitigate by implementing the financial equivalent of global mass surveillance. They'd rather commit any atrocity than accept a loss on their risky investment.

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Post by spyke112 »

azalemeth wrote: post #392
kodemager wrote: post #381

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I think it’s hard to look at what capitalism has become today and say much positive about it. I say this as someone who works in investment finance where we sell semi-rich semi-professional investors the opportunity to become richer by building solar and wind power plants, and selling them when they are fully operational. Which is about as positive as it gets in capitalism in my experience, considering we’re actually…

I'm a foreigner with a Danish job and I very much like the country. It's refreshingly different. Money is still very important but I think infinitely less so compared to the states; it isn't what motivates people. It's also interesting to note that Denmark has negative interest rates and anyone with more than 100k DKK is really quite punished for keeping it in the bank. I'm glad that your company provides a vehicle f…

- Could be https://www.obton.com/ he’s working for. - Coop, they have Fakta, Kvikly, Super Brugsen and a couple of others.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by chrisjc »

rdtwo wrote: post #81
BeefySwain wrote: post #64

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It appears to be even more restrictive then that: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... > An employer shall not rely on the salary history information of an applicant for employment as a factor in determining whether to offer employment to an applicant or what salary to offer an applicant. That being said, how do you enforce a provision like that in the face of every company having all infor…

Won’t eqifax tell you if someone requests the data therefore you can tell if the law is violated

I believe the point Beefy is making is that once they have your information, how can you prove that it was used in determining whether someone gets hired or how much their salary will be.

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Post by jwr »

I find the EU approach so much better. Your personal data (which means anything that can be used to uniquely identify you as a person) is your property, and the default is "no permission to use".

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by shubb »

eyeareque wrote: post #502
shubb wrote: post #499

Salary data is pretty valuable. Someone should make a site (like glass door) where existing employees post salary information and other non-nda breaking information, and people who want it pay them for it (with the site taking a cut) Why are we giving it away for free anyway?

There is already the blind app and also levels.fyi

At the moment, the model is that we put our valuable data into a pool in return for access to the pool. We then get access to semi-aggregate data from the pool which may be profitable for us, and the platform makes money by selling access or ads.

The model I was proposing was more of a market where you can go and anonymously pay the worker next to you to know how much he is paid, where it would be difficult to just ask. i.e. higher resolution more identifying information than people were comfortable to give away for free, sweetened by getting a useful amount of money.

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