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Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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Maintaining such typing speeds look like a recipe for burnout to me. I think I could even see the CEO's hands trembling in the TikTok when he lifted them from the device after demonstrating 500 WPM. It certainly incurs a massive cognitive load, perhaps similar to what professional classical musicians can pull off—and they don't have invent the score at the same time as they are performing. Someone capable of decent t…

> they don't have invent the score at the same time as they are performing

Do you mean “improvising”?

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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I actively worked to remove my oh I typed that wrong reflex. Because I need to ready anything important again and I'll click the squiggles. Everything else dosent mattr enughf for me to kare. Or I use with Google voice dictation and just deal with the craziness. Dictated not red

I can't tell if this is poorly typed as a joke.

Perfect

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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Years ago I had a friend who was in IT, but had a side job doing data entry.

When he got a new set of data to do entry on, he would develop custom data entry environment specifically for that data. He said it effectively gave him some large multiplier in typing speed, making a minimum wage job fairly profitable for him to do.

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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> Keen also claimed that he’d won several online gaming competitions using the CharaChorder, which he says brings up an interesting ethical dilemma. “I’m not sure if there’s any restrictions on what keyboards you’re allowed to use,” he said over a video of him playing Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, using his CharaChorder running through a XIM-style adapter. As someone who's somewhat familiar with…

Tetris. There's some discussion on HN a while back on different ways of tapping the controller to make quicker turns. It will be interesting to seenwhat CharaChorder can do.

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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The "500 WPM" video is a little suspect. He types literally one memorized sentence and extrapolates a WPM from that one 10 word sentence. I'd like to see him actually type 500 meaningful words in under 60 seconds. Anyway, this is cool but basically just a modern stenography device. Steno has a learning curve problem that makes it so most people won't use it.

Isn’t just just obviously bs? You can’t even think 8.3 meaningful words per second. Try it. It’s impossible to sustain.

You probably can in bursts. Being able to type as fast as you think is incredibly useful when brainstorming ideas.

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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I've been active in my typing practice since I was about 4, and once I'm warmed up I can usually hit high 120s with 100% accuracy on unseen MonkeyType using a qwerty keyboard with red Cherry switches. If I ignore accuracy and go for 'raw' speed, I am able to achieve significantly faster WPM, typically between the range of 140s-180s. The issue I run into with programs like these is that I have to read/match the expect…

I'm guessing that hands drifting only happens when you're really pushing for speed and get sloppy?

Combination of things, if I'm cold (literally and figuratively) or I'm still warming up, if I'm really pushing hard, or when I've been going too long and the fatigue sets in. I don't really know how common it is among other typists though, I've found I've gotten sloppier over the years due to auto-correct and google search 'guessing' being pretty damn fantastic.

Another story, when I was middle school, I took what I thought was a computer programming class that turned out to be a god awful typing class. Of maybe 30 kids, over half would completely fail to complete the assignment during the hour. The students that got through it were almost all my video game/computer geek friends. I personally hated the class as I thought it was a complete waste of time as I could already type fairly well. The carrot on the stick was that you could surf the internet, play games, whatever, if you completed the the assignment. Considering that the internet was wildly faster than my dial up line at home, I would burn through the class as fast as I could, literally always finishing before everyone else, spending 15 minutes tops on it.

Well, one day midway through the semester I overheard another student asking the teacher how I was always done so fast. This guy was a completely smug hard ass and was apparently a 'computer guy' prior to his teaching career. He had the gual to say it was only because I would make so many mistakes and that I was such a sloppy typists that I wouldn't be worth much to anyone later on. During the next class I made a point to hit 100% accuracy, declaring loudly to him so that the entire class would hear. I did that the entire rest of the semester, I loved it, he never showed his smugness towards me after that. Still really bugged me though, I realized even back then that computers were getting _good_ and handling typos, and that highly accurate typing was mainly for suckers.

As an aside, this was all during the era of the 'Ask Jeves's' of the world, I switched to google simply because it was so damn good at understanding the intent behind my typos. Incredibly, they're _still_ the only auto-correct I've used that understands and corrects the drifts!

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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QWERTY has a steep learning curve as well, it’s just that it’s so ubiquitous that most people don’t question or remember the work that was put into.

> has a steep learning curve just to make the pedantic point, learning curves show skill improvement plotted against time spent/experience, and therefore a steep learning curve means you learn quickly. A shallow learning curve is the difficult one. /pedantry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve

I heard about this years ago and hate to see the phrase anywhere now. I just avoid it entirely myself. I don't want to be knowingly wrong or create awkward situations explaining it to everyone.

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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I own a CharaChorder and this is exactly right. Using the CC, you can't get 100% on monkeytype because when I type `helo` it then backspaces that and types `hello` using the CharaChorder's onboard firmware. The final text is 100% accurate--it's just what was typed by the keyboard wasn't 100% accurate.

So is it autocorrecting helo to hello? Predictive tweaks aren't good in a keyboard, you want everything to be intentional, or you'll lose time and patience correcting things. Spellcheck should be post hoc imho.

>Predictive tweaks aren't good in a keyboard, you want everything to be intentional, or you'll lose time and patience correcting things. Spellcheck should be post hoc imho.

Just depends on what kind of keyboard you're using and why. This is a very specialized keyboard for specialized tasks. I could see lots of different kinds of activities and roles it could be extremely useful for.

For programming, you probably wouldn't want it... though maybe some percentage of programmers who feel their brain moves a lot faster than their fingers might like it. Combined with stuff like Tabnine and Copilot, you hypothetically might eventually be able to "predictive-program" at an incredibly high speed. You'd inevitably have to spend some time revising bad predictions afterwards, but the total amount of time spent developing could decrease by a lot.

I don't even care if this is an ad. If it is, it worked and is the first and only ad I've appreciated. I've never impulse bought anything, but I'm buying this thing right now* after spending 10 seconds looking at it. (I used to spend a lot of time on online typing competition sites, so I'm closer to the target demographic.) My only concern is how much it might affect my normal typing muscle memory.

*As soon as it becomes available. Seems to be sold out, unsurprisingly.

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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QWERTY has a steep learning curve as well, it’s just that it’s so ubiquitous that most people don’t question or remember the work that was put into.

I think the best argument for things other than QWERTY nowadays is ergonomics, not speed. RSI is no joke.

Agreed. I've never gotten back to my old qwerty speeds of up to 160wpm since relearning proper homerow on a split keyboard, then later learning Dvorak, then again later learning Workman. I'm in a lot less pain, though, and I'm still generally above 120wpm at least.

FYI I didn't switch off of Dvorak because I was bored of it, I'd traded my left hand pain for right hand pain, and I decided it was a bit worse. Workman is more evenly split between hands where both qwerty and Dvorak had a major bias.

Workman also seems to beat Dvorak and Colemak in efficiency, but if that were my main concern, I also considered qgmlwb and Halmak, which IIRC are even better.

Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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When I learnt to touch type I switched to Dvorak at the same time. I liked the idea of improved efficiency but whenever I had to use someone else's computer or they needed to use mine it was too much hassle. Once I'd relearned to touch type with Qwerty life was so much easier. Also hjkl with Vim using Dvorak was just too hard to get my brain around

J and K are adjacent in Dvorak, and they're down and up, respectively, which makes vertical scrolling just as easy, IMO. I never really used H and L but instead rely on mostly W and B (which aren't adjacent but are close enough). So by happy coincidence, navigating in vim works just fine, I think.

Yep, I've never felt the need to remap hjkl for other layouts. Very exaggerated issue from people who didn't stick with it long enough, I think.

I was worried about it with Workman because it was slightly less logical. h still left of l, but quite far away, j and k are placed so that it's like you've inverted your camera controls in a game. Very easy to adjust anyway and I don't really think about it now. Your point about w and b is very good as well. Advanced vim users are actually less likely to use hjkl much due to having faster ways to get around in most cases.

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