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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by sedan_baklazhan » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #249

sedan_baklazhan wrote: post #133

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One government has a complete soverreign right to ask another government to assist in a terrorist attack situation. That is as simple as it goes.

Sure. And that applies here, if you regard your own people as terrorists for being mad at the failures of the government. But if you buy that premise, you're excusing a tyrant who has figured out a new buzzword to justify his tyranny.

I recall a country with "Internal terrorists". Oh wait, I can't even name that country, right? That's completely different and does not apply in other cases, right?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by 8note » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

crisdux wrote: post #256

mlindner wrote: post #43

Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. Russia is sending paratroopers because they don't want another Ukraine situation. They don't want Kazakhstan to break away from Russia because of a popular uprising like Ukraine did. And it's a lot easier for them to prevent it than it was for Ukraine because Ukraine doesn't border Europe so the west won't protest it as much. I expect a whole l…

You should not dismiss these views as just Russian-patriot sounding. These views acknowledge a realpolitik world view. They also acknowledge Russia as a "great power". And of course Russia has interests in the affairs of nations in their immediate periphery. The united states has done the same and would do the same again in a heart beat. I am as American as they come but I think the world would be safer if we were tr…

Russia isn't a great power though. It only wants to be seen as a great power

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by moneywoes » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

A diversion from Ukraine?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anonair » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

siva7 wrote: post #255

poilcn wrote: post #248

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If the government is "bad" it doesn't make everyone who stands against it "good". It doesn't make everyone who is against the government unified body with one positive goal. You don't need all the "protesters" to be thugs. 1% is enough to make cities dangerous place for everyone, including other protesters. You know nothing about the country or the people who live there or what exactly going on right now, but automat…

Tell us more. What do you know what we don’t?

There issue is not peaceful protesters. There are real terrorists taking over critical infrastructure

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anonair » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:29 PM UTC

KaiserPro wrote: post #197

siva7 wrote: post #144

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It absolutely is bizarre, even if they are military allies. Can you imagine Canada asking for US military on their own grounds to fight civilian protests? Me neither. That’s a definition of puppet state.

I don't think its a definition of a puppet state, its more an act of desperation. I suspect that the president has realised that the police and army are not entirely on his side, so is wanting to have some "loyal" troops to send round and kill the protestors, in a way that the domestic troops are less likely to.

More likely that the foreign troops are needed to guard critical infrastructure while domestic loyal troops are busy with the terrorists

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by caskstrength » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:34 PM UTC

radmuzom wrote: post #242

zenkat wrote: post #170

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Which is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now. Their attempts to align with NATO have Putin freaking out, with much saber-rattling & troop movement.

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> https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2022/01/05/six-thing...

Okay, let's be open minded for a second and look inside.

>> The catalyst for the crisis today in Ukraine was the 2014 coup. That coup was set up and supported by the US.

Yes, yes, CIA agents orchestrating the coup. A lot of my friends are still waiting for Obama to pay them for their services...

Next 2 paragraph present "proofs": some "intercepted" call discussing future Ukrainian government between Nuland and Pyatt and statement that "Nuland then pressured security forces to stop guarding government buildings and allow the coup protesters in" without further explanation. Mrs. Nuland seems to be a real-life Wonder Woman by single-handedly ordering Ukrainian police and internal forces to just stand down. Can she use some of her superpowers to also order dismissal of Russian troops build up?

>> It was a defensive reaction to the oppression of Russian-speaking people on its borders.

Oppression? As a Russian-speaking person in Ukraine I don't feel oppressed now and didn't feel oppressed back then. That statement is a Russian propaganda trope.

>> Contrary to the portrayal in the media of a people desperate to escape Russian and to run into the arms of NATO, Volodymyr Ishchenko, research associate at the Institute of East European Studies, Freie Universität Berlin, reports that "Ukrainians are far from unified in support of NATO membership."

Oh, self-described marxist that "supports neither side of conflict" is a great neutral source of information /s

In reality here is actual sociological data https://razumkov.org.ua/uploads/article/2021-nato-ukr.pdf (to save you the click: 53,6% support NATO membership, 31,0% opposes and 15,2% are still undecided).

Besides that the linked article is full of manipulations and outright bullshit. Please don't post your propaganda here. Thanks!

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by Agoreddah » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:35 PM UTC

radmuzom wrote: post #242

zenkat wrote: post #170

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Which is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now. Their attempts to align with NATO have Putin freaking out, with much saber-rattling & troop movement.

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I stopped to read article after first headline "The NATO Promise", because it's very popular hoax narrative shared by eastern propaganda.

Gorbachev personally said it's a fake. Besides, in 1990, Soviet Union had much more troubles to handle than dealing with NATO borders.

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Post by anonair » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:37 PM UTC

sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

So much anti-russian sentiment that 30% of population is still russian and russian is the second (if not first) most spoken language in Kazakhstan

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Post by MomoXenosaga » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:38 PM UTC

MagnumOpus wrote: post #104

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #39

The wealthiest European countries have problems with rising energy prices (remember the French yellow vests?) so I'm interested to see how Kazakhstan thinks they can placate their citizens. My own government is giving me €400 this winter which is nice.

They already reinstated the subsidies that halve the LPG prices and made a song and dance about firing some ministers. But at this point, the discontent is bigger than that...

No they SAY they will reinstate the subsidies.

When a Dutch finance minister goes on TV to give everyone money you believe him because he has an unlimited creditcard. It's a "look under your seat" moment. Why did Kazakhstan make this decision in the first place? Because they are in dire financial straits.

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Post by caskstrength » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC

anticodon wrote: post #190

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #164

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This is such a cold war mindset that I have trouble believing that it is actually still the case. It seems overly simplistic.

It is not. If it wouldn't be true, why then US incessantly unleashes "revolutions" in all countries around Russia? Why US invests millions of dollars into rusophobic propaganda in all countries bordering Russia? Why US attempts to build military bases in all the countries that border Russia? If it's all just a "cold war mindset".

> It is not. If it wouldn't be true, why then US incessantly unleashes "revolutions" in all countries around Russia? Why US invests millions of dollars into rusophobic propaganda in all countries bordering Russia? Why US attempts to build military bases in all the countries that border Russia?

Complete waste of resources from US side! Russia is very successful at making people in ex-USSR countries hate it as-is, making western propaganda completely redundant! But I know a lot of people who actively participated in Maidan revolution and are still waiting for their dirty CIA $$$. Hopefully Obama will pay his debts some day...