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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by philistine »

radmuzom wrote: post #242
zenkat wrote: post #170

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Which is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now. Their attempts to align with NATO have Putin freaking out, with much saber-rattling & troop movement.

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This has been a problem for literally decades, and has not stopped collaboration and discussions in the past. The West is disingenuous with NATO expansion, but the USSR and Russia learned to deal with it.

Now Putin is using it as his great retort as to why he must invade Ukraine, because he cannot trust the West to keep Ukraine in Russia's vice grip. Explain to me how Putin wants a deal with the West to stop NATO expansion, when all previous promises have been broken. What's different this time?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by NoOn3 »

vintermann wrote: post #181
NoOn3 wrote: post #53

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You're right about something. But civil and peaceful protests cannot be so well organized and take place so quickly and occupy so many significant places. It looks too organized and therefore suspicious. Perhaps people are dissatisfied with the authorities and living conditions, but perhaps someone is trying to use the protests to their advantage and manage them.

The US does that sort of thing, in general. But so far, the US hasn't been terribly subtle about it. Usually when the US government wants to get rid of a government, you'll know it (if you pay attention). Where are the "National Endowment for Democracy"-funded front groups? Where's the immediate condemnation of the couped leader?

I don't say It's necessary US. It maybe some elites(or oligarchs), but maybe and foreign intelligence trying to control people actions...

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Post by eternalban »

radmuzom wrote: post #242
zenkat wrote: post #170

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Which is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now. Their attempts to align with NATO have Putin freaking out, with much saber-rattling & troop movement.

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That promise is hearsay. Russia, however, did /sign/ an agreement with NATO in 90s and that agreement declares European countries can take "any measure for security" that they deem fit, including joining NATO. Look up "NATO-Russia Founding ACT".

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by VictorPath »

slapeel wrote: post #241
VictorPath wrote: post #159

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The nom de guerre Pol Pot didn't appear in the New York Times until August 1976, which was after things calmed down in Cambodia. Which makes your assertion he was doing so at the time unlikely. Vietnam invaded Cambodia and the US began arming Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in the late 1970s and 1980s, which again the Times covered, although slightly obliquely. Chomsky condemned the US arming Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge.

Buzz off with your revisionism. Chomsky said the numerous reports of mass murder were a sea of lies. History has proven him dead wrong. He should have known better but was blinded by his ideology; all too eager to believe America was making it all up, and all too eager to believe leftists wouldn't commit such crimes.

This is what Chomsky wrote about Ponchaud's Cambodia book in June 1977

"Ponchaud’s book is serious and worth reading, as distinct from much of the commentary it has elicited. He gives a grisly account of what refugees have reported to him about the barbarity of their treatment at the hands of the Khmer Rouge."

So a book about the barbarity of treatment by the Khmer Rouge is "serious and worth reading". That is what Chomsky actually wrote back then if anyone is actually curious. Does not sound like what you claim he was saying.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by Paradigma11 »

fjhfhgf wrote: post #207
VictorPath wrote: post #193

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The Russian military have been in the Crimea since back when there were British red coats stationed in New York City. If remaining where they have been for centuries is an invasion. Can't imagine Americans ever saying the US invaded South Vietnam when it's various puppet Saigon governments asked for fraternal assistance.

Only Russian nationalists do not know us invaded Vietnam and Russia invaded Ukraine. Everyone else history book are up to date

What vietnam did the US invade and when?

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Post by brnt »

radmuzom wrote: post #242
zenkat wrote: post #170

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Which is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now. Their attempts to align with NATO have Putin freaking out, with much saber-rattling & troop movement.

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It is not up to NATO or Russia to decide what the former eastern block and former soviet states accede to. If they want to join NATO (and they do, for very obvious reasons), they can.

Only in the old Cold War mindset is everything centrally determined by the head of state of some power block.

Such a promise, if it existed, which it hasn't, wouldn't be valid anyway. My friend and I can't decide the bookclub is off limits to you. That's between you and the book club.

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Post by spitfire »

jessaustin wrote: post #189
ericmay wrote: post #108

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Don’t bother wasting your time. These trolls just want to make you hate yourself and your country. Of course it’s your fault comrade, if you didn’t buy caviar from Russia then they wouldn’t have to invade Ukraine to feed the workers who make the caviar. It’s always your fault nobody else’s. The goal with these sorts of comments is to try and get liberal democracies to stop engaging in the rest of the world. If you ke…

Is there some sense in which this is not a "conspiracy theory"?

> Is there some sense in which this is not a "conspiracy theory

Yes, in the sense that Aleksander Dugins foundations of geopolitics exists and is taught in military schools in Russia. It proposes - among other tactics, exactly this approach. Splitting hairs, gaslighting and exhaustion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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Post by anonair »

codebolt wrote: post #27

It seems noteworthy that Kazakhstan represents ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity), at the same time as people are out in the streets rioting over the price of heating their homes.

The issue is with liquid gas prices used for car ICEs, not for home heating

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Post by kleton »

snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

> it is backed by the West because a stable dictator

Nazarbayev gave up over 1000 nuclear weapons to be disarmed when he came to power. This came with some explicit and implicit guarantees to not be color-revolutioned by the West.

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Post by anonair »

janeroe wrote: post #194
Xyloform wrote: post #163

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Kazakhstan is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) similar to Nato which comprises of ex-Soviet countries. I'm sure CSTO has an obligation to help.

Hi user who signed up specifically to leave this comment (which is not suspicious at all). No, they don't. CSTO is for external threats only. To circumvent this limitation the old farts call people taking part in the protest terrorists (this reminds me of something by the way).

They are actually terrorists by definition. I mean those taking over the airport, police stations etc. There are peaceful protesters, but the troops are not after them
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