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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

stefan_ wrote: post #156
hitpointdrew wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Surely this is the end of the pandemic? Yes, welcome to the endemic. Covid is here to stay, it doesn't matter if 100% of the world were vaccinated tommrow, covid would not go away. It doesn't matter if you get the vaccination or not, in your life time you WILL get covid (just like the flu, no one escapes it, you typically get the flu about every decade or so regardless of shots). We need to just accept this and move…

You have a rather crucial misunderstanding. There are lots of endemic viruses; that is part of why we vaccinate new humans against so many of them.

Most of those viruses are actually very deadly, and most of those vaccines actually make you not-get-it-at-all.

The only comparable virus is the flu, and the vaccine is equally shitty [0] as the covid vaccines are.

Death rates for young and (currently healthy) people are very very low (lower than traffic deaths in my country, much lower than suicides), and they are the most affected by the lockdowns. By reopening and focusing on risk groups we could finally start living normally again.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine#Effectivenes...

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by makeworld »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #152

Just giving my 2 cents. Got boosted 3 weeks ago. Now I have covid. Everything is fine, feels like the least ill i ever was from anything. But I wanted to state that omnicron is a beast. I did wear a ffp2 mask with nearly every social contact and if we didnt wear mask we would test ourself. I am sure I got it from the streets from people passing by. That said I am in the french alps and it was vacation time here. And…

For anyone wondering: FFP2 is equivalent to an N95.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFP_standards#FFP2_mask

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by nradov »

dheera wrote: post #176
benjaminwootton wrote: post #103

Surely this is the end of the pandemic? With an estimated 300k+ cases per day here in the UK, that is 10 million this month on top of everyone who has already had it. It’s as though nobody is ready to acknowledge the elephant in the room that Covid is nearly finished. Or am I missing something?

What does 100% prevalence mean? 100% of people are at least silent carriers?

It means that among recent PCR test confirmed cases, 100% of patients were infected with the Omicron variant rather than Delta or some older variant. The number of asymptomatic carriers is unknown and probably large, but can't possibly be anywhere near 100% of the populace.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by radioactivist »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #276
gz5 wrote: post #84

Dr. Katelyn Jetelina, MPH PhD, has a nice substack from perspective of an epidemiologist. Two notable recent Omicron posts on that substack: The potentially scary aspects: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affa... The potentially good news: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/there-is-good... Obviously it is still early, but imo those 2 posts give a decent lay of the land.

" We can easily see that in many graphs, but my favorite is below from New York City, showing a clear distinction in hospitalizations among vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people " I don't see this as much here in Ontario. Among the vaccinated as of today there is a 10.10/100k hospitalization status vs 16/100k for the unvaccinated (and 11.9 for one-dose). The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is climbing…

The Ontario science table dashboard has the hospitalization ratio for unvaccinated to vaccinated still at 5:1. Where are you getting that these rates have become nearly equal?

edit: sorry had that written backwards

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by numpad0 »

opwieurposiu wrote: post #116
KennyBlanken wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how viruses work. Early in the pandemic researchers swabbed lots of surfaces and while they were able to amplify COVID DNA from a bunch of the swabs, they were not able to successfully culture a single sample from any surface, which included the hospital room of a patient on a respirator where the virus would have been beyond abundant.

It's how norovirus works, and sometimes hepatitis too: https://www.livescience.com/62485-how-does-norovirus-get-int... Some harvesters will hold oysters in sterile water for a few days to clean them out (Depuration). This usually works but it is hard to know for sure if the one on your plate got this treatment or not.

You should not be eating that oyster raw if you are not sure, and that only applies to norovirus which is resistant to mild disinfectants(e.g. ethanol)

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by rajup »

causality0 wrote: post #220
UncleOxidant wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"battling Omicron" Can you give us some indication of how severe your symptoms are? Mostly we're hearing that if you've been vaccinated and/or you've had covid in the past that omicron is relatively mild.

Muscle aches, chest pain, headache, and severe coughing fits that won't let her sleep and scare me when I hear them from the other room. After being awake for two days and one of them dropping her blood oxygen to 87 I made her go to the emergency room where they gave her prescription cough medicine that finally let her sleep. Omicron is less dangerous than Delta. It's still dangerous.

Wait 87 SpO2?! I'm pretty sure that's the point at which you would be on a ventilator? Not sure what sleep has to do with SpO2 and it seems criminally negligent for the emergency room to just send your wife off with just a cough medicine..

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by JPKab »

phonypc wrote: post #180
spurgu wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have omicron right now (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold (certainly wouldn't call it "battling omicron"). I have zero problems with getting this each year.

Hmmm... mild symptoms after being vaccinated. It's almost like the vaccine worked or something. How weird.

My brother had mild symptoms after being unvaccinated. So did my kids. So did my neighbors whose kids play at my house all the time.

So did the vast majority of South Africans who aren't vaccinated.

I push the vaccine onto all my high-risk family members. I recommend it to anybody as a tool to introduce your immune system to the virus.

But let's be honest about this:

The vaccines in circulation were created to stop the Alpha variant. The immune system response is too targeted to antigens on the spike protein that are no longer present in the newly evolved, vaccine escaping variants. The vaccine is a useful tool for mitigating severe disease, but it's an outdated vaccine for a variant that no longer exists. Just like the a flu shot for the wrong strain tends to have some positive benefit when you catch a mismatched strain via some cross immunity, that's what we get from this vaccine. And guess what? We get it from infection induced immunity as well.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by dahinds »

jaywalk wrote: post #266
stormbrew wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Plenty of unvaccinated (the vast majority, in fact) also experience mild symptoms. This is true of essentially all diseases except some very very rare exceptions that also tend to burn out very quickly. That's just how disease spread works, mild cases help the virus propagate. It's not like the virus is a mustache twirling villain that wants to murder you, it takes a fairly specific balance to obtain long term surv…

> Severe outcomes are blatantly more common, per capita, in people who are not vaccinated. With omicron? I have not seen any data to support that.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220105/hospitalization-omi...

"The data suggests that three doses of vaccine provided an estimated 68% drop in the risk of being hospitalized with Omicron compared with people who were unvaccinated."

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