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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by dkonofalski »

happymellon wrote: post #149
dkonofalski wrote: post #105

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>I've only had one not work OOTB That seems like a terrible success rate, though, doesn't it? 1 out 12 bluetooth devices failed to work whereas they work 100% on Windows? For the average user, that is definitely going to be a dealbreaker.

I have several pieces of Bluetooth hardware that don't work on my Mac. I get told that I should have bought something that was Mac compatible, and no one says that Mac's have a terrible out of the box experience or that it makes it a deal-breaker.

Any specific examples? I've been using Macs and PCs for over 25 years and Linux on and off for 10 or so and have never had issues with Bluetooth devices on Mac or PC. That even includes some hacky Bluetooth hardware and emulation hardware.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by hitpointdrew »

pxc wrote: post #130
hitpointdrew wrote: post #115

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option + command +f Pop-up box comes up, here you can have as many credentials as you need, it saves them, just double click one and it will enter it in your terminal window. This an absolute life changing feature for me. I manage a ton of servers, and yeah we use SSO to ssh into them, but that is just ssh access. Once you are on a server they maybe several passwords and or accounts you need to login to or accesses (…

> Password management is THE feature that is painfully missing from Terminator, Tilix, etc. Never thought of incorporating this in the terminal emulator. I just use a command line client for my usual password manager. Any reason you can't do that?

> I just use a command line client for my usual password manager. Any reason you can't do that?

The obvious issue with this is the need to be in a session on your local machine. For example you would have to run the cli password manager, then ssh, then login to postgres. Then say you need to go to another machine and use a different password, now you have to back out to your local machine, run the password command again, then login to the other machine. The tool passmgr for example copies the pw to clipboard for 30 seconds, so now you up against the clock to get in and use it, what if you sit on remote machine for half the day? Now you have to constantly flip back to your local machine then back to the remote machine.

With in integrated password manager it doesn't matter what machine I am on, or even if I am daisy chained several ssh sessions deep, I can always immediately get access to the passwords I need.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by [deleted] »

999900000999 wrote: post #189
KronisLV wrote: post #152

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Ha, that's amusing, because at the same time i hate Android Studio with a passion - it seems like the worst JetBrains product by far, though maybe because Android isn't a particularly nice platform to develop for. Admittedly, most of my complaints there would be about the different Android SDK versions and how sluggish and slow everything feels at times, as well as about how Android seems to have a stripped down JDK…

You can still use Eclipse for Android dev, or just run your own builds with cli tools. I'll agree Android dev is pretty frustrating, it's much better than it was just a few years ago, but it's still nowhere close to iOS. iOS users also tend to be much more willing to pay money, so there's that.

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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by KronisLV »

999900000999 wrote: post #189
KronisLV wrote: post #152

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Ha, that's amusing, because at the same time i hate Android Studio with a passion - it seems like the worst JetBrains product by far, though maybe because Android isn't a particularly nice platform to develop for. Admittedly, most of my complaints there would be about the different Android SDK versions and how sluggish and slow everything feels at times, as well as about how Android seems to have a stripped down JDK…

You can still use Eclipse for Android dev, or just run your own builds with cli tools. I'll agree Android dev is pretty frustrating, it's much better than it was just a few years ago, but it's still nowhere close to iOS. iOS users also tend to be much more willing to pay money, so there's that.

Heh, i'd say that Eclipse is universally even more horrible, because while Android Studio feels sluggish for Android development and other JetBrains products are generally pretty good, Eclipse has been slow, laggy and even buggy for me in every single one of its forms - be it using it for Java, PHP, or even more obscure tools like 4EM for enterprise modelling or EMF for model driven development.

It excels at having a large plugin ecosystem, moreso than JetBrains products have (probably close to what Visual Studio Code has, just look at https://marketplace.eclipse.org/category/categories/programm...) and being a common base for a variety of other tools out there, due to its modular nature, but there are plenty of disadvantages to that approach (loose coupling that ends up being brittle and worse runtime performance come to mind) and the workspaces concept feels shoehorned on.

That said, some out there swear by it and admittedly the customized versions of it, like Spring Tool Suite (STS), provide a lot of value to them and numerous other people, so everyone should probably just use what fits their needs. For Android in particular, however, i haven't found an IDE that's as pleasant to use as for other languages. Oh well, high expectations be damned~

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by joshspankit »

saurik wrote: post #24
gh123man wrote: post #7

Has anyone been able to use darling for iOS CI jobs yet? Admittedly I haven't researched this in a while, but one of the biggest hurdles in large scale iOS development is sane DevOps infrastructure. I know due to Apple's TOS that you will never be able to build, sign, and distribute your app on non-Apple hardware. But i'd love to use darling to run unit tests/CI jobs on commodity cloud infrastructure. Even if you do…

I was doing this--using Darling to run the various tools from Xcode on Linux so I could build one of my macOS projects--five years ago and it worked great, but I haven't done it much since as at some point I started using MacStadium to rent Mac Minis. (I want to start using Darling again though, on the assumption that it is still working for running more GUI-oriented build tools--stuff like ibtool and actool, which I…

I was just starting in to Flutter after choosing between it and React/Vue native.

Your comment is making me want to do a 180 as Flutter’s future is now scary to me.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by pwdisswordfish9 »

saagarjha wrote: post #38
SmileyKeith wrote: post #27

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This does generally work, but it requires a lot of manual effort to setup the environment correctly with Xcode's SDKs to satisfy the compiler / linker.

Plus, I’ve found that most iOS codebases, tend to rely on parts of Foundation and the Objective-C runtime that are not implemented on Linux, even if the code doesn’t touch UIKit at all.

Not a better use of time to get them implemented?

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by pwdisswordfish9 »

twblalock wrote: post #43
freedomben wrote: post #20

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> Having Linux run iOS, macOS, Android, and Windows applications running would be nothing less than mind-boggling, and would finally get people to stop yelling that nothing runs on Linux Nothing will stop those people from yelling that, because it hasn't been true in a very long time and that doesn't stop them. These are the same people who say they don't want to run Linux because they don't want to compile their sou…

> These are the same people who say they don't want to run Linux because they don't want to compile their sound card drivers. They are already way outside of rational territory and deep into religious territory. It's rational for me to want my sound card to work without having to compile code. No other operating system would make me compile code to fulfill such a rudimentary and basic expectation. That's not religion…

Echoing the commenters pointing out that you leaned into the irrationally.

Separately:

> If you want normal people to use Linux you should never, ever, ever ask them to even use a terminal

What about Alexa or Siri? Would it be acceptable to ask them to use a voice-activated digital assistant to accomplish what people use the command-line for? What about a text-activated one, without the voice recognition problems?

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by duskwuff »

OnlyMortal wrote: post #44

Interesting. I expect the display postscript (now PDF) would be tricky with its compositing in particular. I doubt Ghostscript would be up to it performance wise as much of the DPS is backed by hardware nowadays. Anyway, good luck!

> I expect the display postscript (now PDF)...

This is a commonly repeated myth. The Quartz graphics framework does not use PDF internally. Its rendering model is roughly based on PDF, but not much more so than any other vector graphics format, like SVG or Cairo.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by 0x001D »

joshspankit wrote: post #195
saurik wrote: post #24

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I was doing this--using Darling to run the various tools from Xcode on Linux so I could build one of my macOS projects--five years ago and it worked great, but I haven't done it much since as at some point I started using MacStadium to rent Mac Minis. (I want to start using Darling again though, on the assumption that it is still working for running more GUI-oriented build tools--stuff like ibtool and actool, which I…

I was just starting in to Flutter after choosing between it and React/Vue native. Your comment is making me want to do a 180 as Flutter’s future is now scary to me.

what happens to flutter?

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by throwaway98700k »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #157

stupid question because I have not touched a Mac since 1999. What kind of apps are you using on Mac that if you were forced to switch to Linux you feel that you can't live without? the appeal back then (and from I hear people say until today) was always how everything is neatly integrated. a coherent system from the hardware all the way up the stack. not sure if that is overselling it but at least that's how I unders…

ScreenFlow is a good app I wish I had on Linux.
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