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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anticodon »

fivea wrote: post #81
scotty79 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you assume Putin and western corporations are antagonistic? Putin is just closest strong arm and most appropriate politically.

> Do you assume Putin and western corporations are antagonistic? Please don't try to change the subject. Putin sent Russia's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to use them against Kazakhstan's civilian population to quelsh unrest. It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing. This is Russia intervening in Kazakhstan to preserve Russia's interests, and no amount of whataboutism changes this.

> It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing.

What these countries has to do in Kazakhstan? Russia and Kazakhstan has a treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org...

Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by [deleted] »

anticodon wrote: post #190
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #164

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This is such a cold war mindset that I have trouble believing that it is actually still the case. It seems overly simplistic.

It is not. If it wouldn't be true, why then US incessantly unleashes "revolutions" in all countries around Russia? Why US invests millions of dollars into rusophobic propaganda in all countries bordering Russia? Why US attempts to build military bases in all the countries that border Russia? If it's all just a "cold war mindset".

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anticodon »

mlindner wrote: post #36
snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

"Backed by the west" is a common conspiracy theory pushed by Russian government. You should be asking yourself who's benefiting. The west does not benefit from anything related to those states, all oil they produce first flows through Russia. Russia benefits by having these states as basically feudal subservient states that they can extort for profit. (I will note that most western oil comes from the middle east with…

Where do you get your oil from? From the free democratic Saudi Arabia? West happily ignores any atrocities as long as the flow of resources is under control.

Not only SA sells oil to US, but it also invests earned money into US government bonds. It's allows them to do whatever they want in their country, no matter how "undemocratic" it is. And the "free" press being oh-so-independent and honest, happily ignores that too, instead always pointing you to more convenient targets.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

anticodon wrote: post #184
fivea wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

> And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. If Russia is so influential over Kazakhstan, why all natural resources and power plants in Kazakhstan belong to Western companies? Why Nazarbaev had replaced Cyrillic alphabet with Latin? It was clearly a jab at Russia. Kazakhstan was/is clearly under heavy western influence. > Think about it: Russia i…

>If Russia is so influential over Kazakhstan, why all natural resources and power plants in Kazakhstan belong to Western companies?

This is false. Kazakhstan retains most oil revenues and its joint ventures with foreign companies for oil exploration and drilling include not just Western, but also for example Chinese companies.

>Why Nazarbaev had replaced Cyrillic alphabet with Latin?

Because he saw clearly how Putin is weaponizing language and identity rhetoric to justify wars of aggression and Anschluss-style annexations against its neighbours. The script you use is rather symbolic, but those symbols do matter. Otherwise, Russia itself wouldn't have stamped out the Latin script and forced those minority languages, already few in number, to use Cyrillic in the 2000s.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by VictorPath »

siva7 wrote: post #165
Xyloform wrote: post #163

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Kazakhstan is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) similar to Nato which comprises of ex-Soviet countries. I'm sure CSTO has an obligation to help.

NATO doesn’t have any obligation to “help” break down civilian protests by sending out paratroopers from one of its members to another member state so no it’s not similar.

NATO not only has this obligation, with Gladio it was active in violently breaking down civilian protests in Italy.

This was actually revealed by the center-right government in Italy in 1990, because they were more scared of the US/NATO involvement in Italian domestic affairs, then their own left leaning working class.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by fjhfhgf »

VictorPath wrote: post #193
danjac wrote: post #54

The old "fraternal assistance" card. Much like Yanukovych gave Russia the pretext to invade Ukraine in 2014.

The Russian military have been in the Crimea since back when there were British red coats stationed in New York City. If remaining where they have been for centuries is an invasion. Can't imagine Americans ever saying the US invaded South Vietnam when it's various puppet Saigon governments asked for fraternal assistance.

Only Russian nationalists do not know us invaded Vietnam and Russia invaded Ukraine. Everyone else history book are up to date

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

anticodon wrote: post #201
fivea wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you assume Putin and western corporations are antagonistic? Please don't try to change the subject. Putin sent Russia's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to use them against Kazakhstan's civilian population to quelsh unrest. It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing. This is Russia intervening in Kazakhstan to preserve Russia's interests, and no amount of whataboutism changes this.

> It's not the US, Switzerland, Finland, the EU, nothing. What these countries has to do in Kazakhstan? Russia and Kazakhstan has a treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org... Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian.

>Also, significant percent of population of Kazakhstan is Russian.

So what? They are citizens of Kazakhstan. Russia does not have some sort of "claim" over every person in the world who is of Russian descent.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by [deleted] »

q1w2 wrote: post #136
mlindner wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't a US-Russia conflict over Ukraine. US had no part of Ukraine's uprising. Late in the Trump presidency long after issues had settled, the US started getting involved with selling supplies.

This is very much untrue. The US began getting involved Ukraine the moment Russia began sowing discontent and violence in Ukraine - as early as 2012. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to... https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai... ...and I won't get into the donations from Ukraine to the Clinton Foundation a…

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by tryauuum »

pulse7 wrote: post #63

This looks similar to troops without any signs on their uniforms in Kiev, Ukraine a few years back... So now we can guess which country is using "no-name" troops...

The only similar part is "Russian military in foreign country". No-one hides the fact that they are Russian
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