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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anticodon »

janeroe wrote: post #175
major505 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.

-- "buffer state" bullshit brought to you since 1939 -- Do they still need Finland as a "buffer state" [1]? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Winter war was successful in a sense that it moved Soviet-Finnish border away from Leningrad. A few months later when Germany attacked USSR and Finland joined it, that extra space saved Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) from total destruction.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by khuey »

major505 wrote: post #150
fivea wrote: post #57

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> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.

Yes Kazakhstan is critical to buffer Russia from NATO influence in checks notes the People's Republic of China.

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Post by VictorPath »

danjac wrote: post #54

The old "fraternal assistance" card. Much like Yanukovych gave Russia the pretext to invade Ukraine in 2014.

The Russian military have been in the Crimea since back when there were British red coats stationed in New York City. If remaining where they have been for centuries is an invasion.

Can't imagine Americans ever saying the US invaded South Vietnam when it's various puppet Saigon governments asked for fraternal assistance.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by janeroe »

Xyloform wrote: post #163
siva7 wrote: post #87

Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

Kazakhstan is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) similar to Nato which comprises of ex-Soviet countries. I'm sure CSTO has an obligation to help.

Hi user who signed up specifically to leave this comment (which is not suspicious at all). No, they don't. CSTO is for external threats only. To circumvent this limitation the old farts call people taking part in the protest terrorists (this reminds me of something by the way).

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Post by BuckRogers »

glofish wrote: post #128
thejackgoode wrote: post #52

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Being Eastern European, I can attest to the fact that this kindness and generosity (poorly abstracted as being passionate about things) has a flip side, and you don’t want to be on the opposite side of this treatment.

This is a really good point, when an American (or other rich Westerner) shows up in remote area, they are treated like a king, basically you are treated as people treat ridiculously good looking and popular people around them that they want to be around, that generosity you feel is nothing more than being popular and center of attention start living there, all of a sudden that generosity is not so obvious, families a…

A lot of his examples though depend on his observations, as a 3rd party, such as the accident. That wouldn't have any dependency on him being the center of attention. His observation in Morrocco also without his involvement.

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Post by anticodon »

halpert wrote: post #145
fivea wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Just to add on to this, Russia needs support in the region. Most democratically elected governments do not choose to align themselves with Russia. This is why Putin always props up nearby dictators. Without support, Putin’s regime and power would be in danger. You see many examples of trying to strong arm support from weaker regional neighbors: Ukraine, Belarus, Syria, Georgia, and now this situation.

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Post by KaiserPro »

siva7 wrote: post #144
culebron21 wrote: post #139

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Kazakhstan asked CSTO contries ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org... ) to do that, whether we like this or not (I don't). So that's nothing bizzare, and 3000 Russian paratroopers (plus 1000 from other conutries) don't make such a huge country a puppet state. P.S. So funny, you complain you don't get the logic, and I get downvoted for explaining it, rather than calling names.

It absolutely is bizarre, even if they are military allies. Can you imagine Canada asking for US military on their own grounds to fight civilian protests? Me neither. That’s a definition of puppet state.

I don't think its a definition of a puppet state, its more an act of desperation.

I suspect that the president has realised that the police and army are not entirely on his side, so is wanting to have some "loyal" troops to send round and kill the protestors, in a way that the domestic troops are less likely to.

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Post by janeroe »

culebron21 wrote: post #155
siva7 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It absolutely is bizarre, even if they are military allies. Can you imagine Canada asking for US military on their own grounds to fight civilian protests? Me neither. That’s a definition of puppet state.

No, it's not the definition of puppet state. Wikipedia: > A puppet state is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders. Even though Kazakh president does become dependent on Russian forces to some degree, I don't see how 3000 soldiers can control a country with an army of 100,000, National guard of 32,000 and 86,000 policemen. It may give an u…

That's enough for subversive activity. Especially with their previous experience in Ukraine (I'm informed the people, if one can still call them that, from Donbas will help to "bring peace" in Kazakhstan).

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Post by codebolt »

gnull wrote: post #71
codebolt wrote: post #27

It seems noteworthy that Kazakhstan represents ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity), at the same time as people are out in the streets rioting over the price of heating their homes.

We could distribute the mining farms to people's homes to warm them up, this way everyone wins.

Yes, outfitting all poor villagers in Kazakhstan with highly expensive computers seems like a realistic solution.
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