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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by ginko »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #45
ralmidani wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everything in life is a conspiracy, and people often rebel spontaneously against their government. Not every revolution in a country ruled by Putin and Pals is waiting for The White House to give the green light. Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? That was, obviously, not the people’s only grievance, but it was the spark that lead to the protests and rebellion. The “US meddling” e…

Pray tell, what exactly happened on 6th of January outside the Capitol? Why some people are allowed to fight corruption, but others aren't? Isn't the US lobiying another word for corruption?

That was another spontaneous rebellion. If anything it proves grandparent's point.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by thejackgoode »

cmod wrote: post #37

My own experience in Kazakhstan a few years ago was amazing — kind, generous people. I had the most surreal (but standard) Russian Bath experience: sitting with a bunch of naked folks as they self-flog with branches in rooms so hot you needed wool caps to keep the top of your head from singeing. When I was getting dressed a huge guy next to me said something in Russian, I was certain I had committed some bath faux pa…

Being Eastern European, I can attest to the fact that this kindness and generosity (poorly abstracted as being passionate about things) has a flip side, and you don’t want to be on the opposite side of this treatment.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by NoOn3 »

dandanua wrote: post #26
NoPie wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The raise of fuel prices was an immediate cause but it probably was long burning dissatisfaction with the economic hardships of the masses vs. prosperous kleptocratic elite. On the other hand it seems that the economy of Kazakhstan was one of the best among other stans. It is possible that prolonged covid restrictions also played the role.

No no no, it's all the war between US and Russia, people are just dust, they can only be manipulated! /s (this is what every russian bot is saying)

You're right about something. But civil and peaceful protests cannot be so well organized and take place so quickly and occupy so many significant places. It looks too organized and therefore suspicious. Perhaps people are dissatisfied with the authorities and living conditions, but perhaps someone is trying to use the protests to their advantage and manage them.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by ralmidani »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #45
ralmidani wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everything in life is a conspiracy, and people often rebel spontaneously against their government. Not every revolution in a country ruled by Putin and Pals is waiting for The White House to give the green light. Also, did the US tell the regime in Kazakhstan to raise oil prices? That was, obviously, not the people’s only grievance, but it was the spark that lead to the protests and rebellion. The “US meddling” e…

Pray tell, what exactly happened on 6th of January outside the Capitol? Why some people are allowed to fight corruption, but others aren't? Isn't the US lobiying another word for corruption?

You have it backward. The January 6th Riot was not motivated by a desire to oust a dictator. At the time, Donald Trump was President, and he wanted to remain President despite losing the election.

As for corruption in the US, I acknowledge it, but it’s laughable to compare it to what happens in countries run by Putin and Pals. In Russia, Kazakhstan, Syria, etc. the people’s only choice is rebellion. In the US, we (still) have the ballot box.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by ttybird2 »

mlindner wrote: post #43

Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. Russia is sending paratroopers because they don't want another Ukraine situation. They don't want Kazakhstan to break away from Russia because of a popular uprising like Ukraine did. And it's a lot easier for them to prevent it than it was for Ukraine because Ukraine doesn't border Europe so the west won't protest it as much. I expect a whole l…

On the other hand I see a lot of weird intelligence officer comments around. At the end of the day the regular people will be the ones paying the price for the war between the giants.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by fivea »

snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow.

And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power.

Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the EU. Not Switzerland. No, Russia.

How do you fit that into your mental model?

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Post by adolph »

codebolt wrote: post #27

It seems noteworthy that Kazakhstan represents ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity), at the same time as people are out in the streets rioting over the price of heating their homes.

I’ve read this note about Kazakhstan and BTC a couple of times now but I havnt seen any documentation for the claim. For a crypto novice, what would be a method for validating this claim?

BTC and other crypto seem to gravitate toward less expensive energy sources, yet require a substantial capital investment. Is crypto an emerging method for dictators to expropriate wealth? Are there going to be “blood bits” similar to “blood diamonds” or other commodities tainted by their provenance?

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Post by CodeGlitch »

cmod wrote: post #37

My own experience in Kazakhstan a few years ago was amazing — kind, generous people. I had the most surreal (but standard) Russian Bath experience: sitting with a bunch of naked folks as they self-flog with branches in rooms so hot you needed wool caps to keep the top of your head from singeing. When I was getting dressed a huge guy next to me said something in Russian, I was certain I had committed some bath faux pa…

There's a really interesting video blogger called "bald and bankrupt" on YouTube who visits all sorts of weird and wonderful locations in Russia and former Soviet Union States:

https://www.youtube.com/c/baldandbankrupt/featured

Doesn't look like he's been to Kazakhstan yet though...

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by jevgeni »

ReptileMan wrote: post #30
brnt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be very strange if the French government asks Germany or Nato to quell the gilet-jaunes demo, wouldn't it?

And yet intelligence agencies routinely spy for one another to get around those pesky warrant and probable cause requirements.

It's almost like intelligence work and active military operations aren't the same thing...
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