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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by sm4rk0 »

gumby wrote: post #589
sm4rk0 wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article quotes an MD: "The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago" The person I'm replying to mentioned "hospital overcapacity".

True, but that statement doesn’t make the implication you claim; the other arm of the statement would have to be an assertion that the hospitalization rate would (or would not) have been higher had no vaccination been performed. “Fortunately” (well for this argument anyway) there are natural experiments going on (including between US states, between counties in large states like California, and between European count…

But reducing hospitalzitation alone isn't fair enough metric. What about people being disabled/dying from cardiovascular diseases as a consequence of mRNA therapy? They aren't taken into account by pharma and politicians. They are even going further against the common sense by blaming global warming!?

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Post by Rondon11 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #310
jtc331 wrote: post #284

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Worth noting that while there is a clear and measurable increase, the CDC makes a nonetheless significant error by assuming 2019 is the baseline when in fact we see a baseline increase every year even without other factors (both because of increasing population and because of slowing advances in medically extending lifespans).

Population growth is about 0.4% in the US, so that's probably not a big factor. In 2019, the CDC estimated that age-adjusted expected lifespan increased by 1.2% [0]. I think the population growth would indicate a lower death rate than implied by direct counting, since total pop is the denominator. However, I think the increased lifespan would work in the counter direction - Americans should live longer in 2020 than i…

Associated Press | Jan 31, 2020 at 11:53 AM

For 1st time in 4 years, US life expectancy rises — a little

https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/health-fitn...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by Rondon11 »

It is not peer reviewed yet but it should be. Censorship and institutional bias are some reasons why it has not been

https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/14298/20211216/co...

They also found a U.S. national average vaccine-induced fatality rates or VFR of 0.04% and higher VFR with age. For those aged 0 to 17, they had a VFR of 0.004%, while those aged 75 and above had a VFR of 0.06%. Data showed that there were over 146,000 to 187,000 vaccine-related deaths in the U.S. alone between February to August 2021. The researchers wrote, "Notably, adult vaccination increased ulterior mortality of unvaccinated young."

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by ineedasername »

selimthegrim wrote: post #576
ineedasername wrote: post #497

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I hope it does end up being true of Omicron, a bit too soon to tell though. It's a little early to tell: We're a month on from the end of November when Omicron really hit our radar and it took a few more weeks to see the really big spike we're in right now. On the national (US) level I don't see much of an uptick in deaths yet (although my own state has a bit of one) but deaths are also a lagging indicator so it may…

Since when is testing required for air travel?

Sorry-- I meant international air travel.

Also lots of families getting together had agreed to get themselves tested before hand.

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Post by mike00632 »

jkhdigital wrote: post #526
mike00632 wrote: post #504

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You also cannot be healthy and dead from COVID-19. Everyone preaching healthy eating instead of vaccination during the pandemic is doing a disservice to humanity.

Why not both? Adults are capable of parsing two noncontradictory messages at once.

The topic here is COVID-19. Juxtaposing healthy eating with a vaccine is downright evil considering how many people such a suggestion has killed.

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Post by falconroar »

Pretty likely this is associated with the huge increase in mental illness associated with isolation during the pandemic. The depression rate tripled from pre-pandemic levels, leading to a 20% increase in suicide rates. Obviously drug use and all the associated risks would increase due to that, but there are also a few studies showing a strong correlation between mental health and life expectancy, even after accounting for drug use.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/10/depression-increased-during-...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by sm4rk0 »

FabHK wrote: post #519
sm4rk0 wrote: post #347

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What data are you citing? There's official data showing the opposite (I personally checked each data point in that graph): https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adult...

You need to compare within narrower age groups. Older people are more likely to be vaccinated and more likely to die. https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/11/fact-check-vaccin...

More about "fact-checks": https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

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Post by zo1 »

Very disappointed that the other thread regarding this from today got merged into this one as a "dupe". I actually lost track of it and it feels like discussion about it is being "squashed". I went to HN on my desktop to discuss it and couldn't find it on the front-page anymore. Even though that may not be the intention.

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Post by GuB-42 »

I looked at the statistics for the US and Europe

US: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (age related https://public.tableau.com/views/COVID_excess_mort_withcause... )

Europe: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

Excess mortality seems to be way higher in the US than it is in the Europe, even though reported Covid deaths are in the same ballpark. In Europe, Covid deaths and excess mortality seem to match, more or less. In the US, excess mortality is several times higher.

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Post by checkyourbias »

jollybean wrote: post #465
halfjoking wrote: post #438

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Yes that explanation is plausible. I replied to another comment below what I take away from that statistic… mainly that vaccine mandates are BS given other factors such as age has such an impact on mortality and spread.

Vaccines reduce the spread significantly, ergo, the mandates for even young people have a dramatic effect in reducing risk for everyone. They are not BS.

Do you have a source showing vaccines significantly reduce the spread of the current dominant variant?
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